Re: [tcpm] draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-09: AccECN option: why not EE1B first?

Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 15 November 2019 16:34 UTC

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From: Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:34:15 -0800
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Subject: Re: [tcpm] draft-ietf-tcpm-accurate-ecn-09: AccECN option: why not EE1B first?
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If it’s just binary info, can we allocate a bit for it?
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Yoshi


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 4:05 AM Scheffenegger, Richard <rs.ietf@gmx.at>
wrote:

> I too like two different option numbers more than initial magic numbers
> - we aren't yet that constrained in the tcp options registry to not go
> that route...
>
> Richard
>
>
> Am 14.11.2019 um 19:00 schrieb Neal Cardwell:
> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:47 PM Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net>
> wrote:
> >> On 14/11/2019 10:06, Scheffenegger, Richard wrote:
> >>> Perhaps placing a different inital value in the first counter would
> >>> implicitly signal this better?
> >> I'll think about this - we can discuss at the hackathon.
> >> Another possibility would be to assign two option kind values for two
> >> different option orders - I think I prefer this.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The folks from IPPM will not be all too happy with the semantics of
> >>> field values depening on some (possibly missed by passive observation)
> >>> initial value though...
> >> Well, true. But I don't think that's a show-stopper. Two option kind
> >> values would address this.
> >
> > Two option kind values sounds like a nice solution, IMHO. Clear,
> > simple, and fast.
> >
> > best,
> > neal
> >
>
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