Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05.txt

Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Mon, 23 November 2020 16:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05.txt
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Here we go, then. -05 completes my scrub of the text.

It got a little shorter without losing too much, I think.

The missing sections are marked TBD. I took the liberty of inserting some
names for people who promised text (Boris, Dhruv, Kiran, Jeff).

Apart from that what is needed is review:
- what is wrong?
- what could be clearer?
- what is missing?
- what could safely be left out?

I am particularly keen to cut text. We've added quite a bit of material for
new techniques and technologies, and although we also cut and rationalised,
we currently stand at 74 pages compared with the 71 pages of RFC 3272.

We could consider whether the appendixes really need to be kept.

Adrian

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Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and
Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic
Engineering
        Author          : Adrian Farrel
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05.txt
	Pages           : 74
	Date            : 2020-11-23

Abstract:
   This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in
   the Internet.  The document is intended to promote better
   understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP
   networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to provide
   a common basis for the development of traffic engineering
   capabilities for the Internet.  The principles, architectures, and
   methodologies for performance evaluation and performance optimization
   of operational networks are also discussed.

   This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002.  This document
   obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text in
   line with best current practices for Internet traffic engineering and
   to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-05


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