Re: [Teas] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

[Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>]

Makes sense.

Cheers
Daniele

From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: giovedì 3 novembre 2016 15:35
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Subject: RE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

For the client to keep returned by the provider path state means requesting from the provider periodic path re-computations.  Provider can re-evaluate previously returned path in an event driven way (e.g. reacting on TED change affecting one of the path's links).

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:[e-mail]]
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Subject: RE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

Hi Igor,

Understood the concept. It is clear but I'm still struggling with its usefulness. What you call statefull and stateless is with respect to the domain controller, but I see the statefullness and stateless of the paths an higher level controller issue and fair enough to have the stateless concept in the domain controller.
In other words if the higer level controller wants to keep the state of the path why doesn't it simply do that instead of demanding it to the domain controller? Because if should be made available also to someone else?

Cheers
Daniele


From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: giovedì 3 novembre 2016 15:04
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Subject: RE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

HI Daniele,

A client may ask for a path not to be used immediately (e.g. to present as an abstract link to its own client, in some failure restoration scheme or as a part of disaster recovery network topology re-configuration). In this case the client would want to know at least  if/when the path has stopped being feasible any longer or (ideally) a better path is available.

Igor

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:[e-mail]]
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Subject: RE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

Can you please explain what the "stateful compute-only" stands for I don't understand what is stateful in a path computation request only.
IMHO either I ask the PCE (SDN controller, NMS, whatever) to compute a path and then forget about it or I ask to compute and provision it. I don't understand the value of asking for it and remembering about it.

BR
Daniele

From: Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE) [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: giovedì 3 novembre 2016 14:45
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Subject: RE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

We have discussed this before. From an implementer's perspective, the two clean solutions to the problem seem to either stateful "compute-only" tunnels or a stateless RPC.

Michael


From: mpls [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 2:34 PM
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Subject: [ALU] [mpls]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00

Hi,

>From the draft:

6.    YANG Model for requesting Path Computation


   Work on extending the TE Tunnel YANG model to support the need to
   request path computation has recently started also in the context of
   the [TE-TUNNEL<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00#ref-TE-TUNNEL>] draft.

   It is possible to request path computation by configuring a
   "compute-only" TE tunnel and retrieving the computed path(s) in the
   LSP(s) Record-Route Object (RRO) list as described in [TE-TUNNEL<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-busibel-teas-yang-path-computation-00#ref-TE-TUNNEL>].

   This is a stateful solution since the state of each created
   "compute-only" TE tunnel needs to be maintained and updated, when
   underlying network conditions change.

   The need also for a stateless solution, based on an RPC, has been
   recognized.


   The YANG model to support stateless RPC is for further study.





IB>> Please, note, that in the TE Tunnel model we consider the COMPUTE_AND_FORGET mode. We also consider the concept of path computation action to be defined under the TE tunnel node. All this is to facilitate stateless path computations.

Cheers,
Igor