[TICTOC] Antw: Re: [ntpwg] Antw: operational experience with NTP symmetric mode

"Ulrich Windl" <Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de> Mon, 09 May 2016 07:42 UTC

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Subject: [TICTOC] Antw: Re: [ntpwg] Antw: operational experience with NTP symmetric mode
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>>> Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> schrieb am 09.05.2016 um 09:33 in
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> Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de said:
>> We used peering about as long as we used NTP (since 1993 or so).
>> Unfortunately the latest NTP release broke NTP peering with authentication
>> (bug 3001), so we turned it off until  the issue is fixed. 
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> Did you turn off peering or authentication?

Peering.

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> Peering seems natural for the case where you have 2 equal servers and you 
> want them to keep an eye on each other.  Aside from reducing the number of 
> packets by a factor of 2, are there any reasons for using peer rather than 
> server?  Is there any extra information exchanged?

If you operate clusters, you may have a tendency to let all the cluster nodes peer, because when in doubt it's more important that the nodes agree on a common time rather than having the correct time (if very odd things happen). Despite of that using "peer" instead of "two-way "server" is self-documentation: It's more clear from ntp.conf what happens  (is expected to happen) ;-)

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