RE: [TLS] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tls-srp-13.txt

An important concept in IETF is that the WG is distinct from the mailing list. Furthermore, WG and authors
are distinct. Furthermore IESG processes are yet more distinct. There is not a WG in IETF that would
have me, for example! Put Peter's name on an I-D, and its the kiss of death!

The mailing list arguments are NOT the place where Eric's jugements are based, if I look
at 10 years of history of viewing previous resolutions in IETF. They are in a place you and 
I cannot see, with political forces that are not visible. There is no accountability, and 
no means of reasoning against them. Many personal, funding, back-project & other
biases come into play.
The ONLY way to argue against this process is to deploy. If there is adoption, those 
non-mailing list processes do Change. They are still very biased and un accountable, but
the politics DOES WORK. IETF is not a plebs paradise; its built on the politics of 
wars-of-adoption. One has to admit, at the end of the game, its specifications are
models of engineering clarity and do-ability, when they stay below 50 pages.

> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:10:48 +0100
> EKR wrote:> > Peter Sylvester <Peter.Sylvester@edelweb.fr> writes:> > > >> Would you mind giving a little bit more detailed explanation in particular> >> what are the reasons why this cannot be on standards tracks, or what would> >> be necessary if it would be etc.> >> > >> > There are two reasons. First, as a matter of policy we are attempting> > to move new work to Standards Track only where there is fairly strong> > support for the work. In this case, the support for this work did> > not appear to be particularly strong.> > > Several existing interoperable implementations exist. I think that this is> perfectly in the spirit of the IETF. If accepted as a standards track, > the protocol> would probably directly directly go to draft.

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