Re: [TLS] Two Opaque Values in Renegotiation_Info (was Re: webex)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com> Sun, 15 November 2009 23:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Two Opaque Values in Renegotiation_Info (was Re: webex)
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At Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:58:15 -0800,
Bodo Moeller wrote:
> 
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> 
> > At Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:51:59 -0800,
> > Michael D'Errico wrote:
> 
> >> I noticed in the logs that there was discussion of wanting to
> >> have two separate opaque values, I assume one for the client
> >> verify data and the other for the server verify data.
> 
> > As far as I know this is not being actively considered.
> 
> There's no point in having these two values sent in the same message.   
> Using two fields would break backwards compatibility with draft- 
> rescorla-tls-renegotiation-00.txt -- but backwards compatibility with  
> this would be the only reason to keep the client's verify_data in the  
> server's extension.

I could certainly live with this if the TLS WG wanted to change it.
I don't know how the implementors feel about it.

-Ekr