Re: [TLS] DTLS 1.2: Call for spec ambiguities

At Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:51:24 +0200,
tom.petch wrote:
> 
> Not an ambiguity - RFC4347 is very clear - but I have struggled to understand
> whether or not updates to base TLS apply to DTLS or not (eg new cipher suites
> such as draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-psk-01.txt ,
> RFC4366).  RFC4347 does say that new cipher suites should specify if and how
> they apply, but in practice, that does not seem to have happened.

Right. That is a bug in those specs. :) I'll add some guidelines in
the main text about hwhat would be suitable.

> And I echo the point about PMTU; I have seen DTLS criticised as being wholy
> unrealistic about PMTU, on some very unexpected mailing lists.

That could totally be. We tried to get this right base on what we thought
we understood about the transport issues, but quite likely we didn't.
I'll take another pass on reading up people's comments and getting
with the TSV people. If anyone wants to point me at discussions
they know about and save me some time, I wouldn't complain :)

-Ekr

> Tom Petch
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Rescorla" <ekr@networkresonance.com>
> To: <tls@ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:24 AM
> Subject: [TLS] DTLS 1.2: Call for spec ambiguities
> 
> 
> > The plan I proposed in Philadelphia for DTLS 1.2 includes
> > clarification of any issues that weren't clear in RFC 4347.
> > I intend to collect a list of those issues and then
> > have discussion/propose resolutions on the mailing list.
> > I'm already aware of three such issues:
> >
> > - Inclusion of the first ClientHello and HelloVerifyRequest
> >   in CertificateVerify
> > - Handshake header inclusion in message hashes
> > - Whether PMTU discovery makes sense
> >
> > The first two seem to be pretty simple and have obvious
> > answers. The third requires talking to the TSV area.
> >
> > If WG members are aware of other issues, can you mail them
> > to me or the list by the end of April? I'll then summarize
> > on the list and start threads to discuss them.
> >
> > -Ekr
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