Re: [TLS] -draft8447bis: rename Support Group Elliptic curve groups space

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Thu, 28 March 2024 15:49 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>, TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
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> we should really replace the “Elliptic curve groups” note in the 0-255, 512-65535 range row with something else. I am open to suggestions, but would like to propose “unallocated”. 

Short and to the point; +1

The only alternative I can see is constantly adding things, and eventually we get to "curves and lattices and heffalumps oh me..."