[TLS] Apple. Re: Web Identity WG Composition

Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren@telia.com> Tue, 25 October 2011 18:44 UTC

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Subject: [TLS] Apple. Re: Web Identity WG Composition
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Hi Ted,

>> It is also *forbidden* to speak openly about requirements if you work
>> for a vendor like Apple or Microsoft.

I have in past life worked for RSA Security and a thing that made
me upset was that every suggestion you did had to go through
the legal department due to potential IPR issues.

Of course we can standardize web identity solutions but not based
on innovation.  That's why this activity is *doomed*.

It well-known that US companies are abusing the patent system, and
Apple is by no means an exception.

In fact, the only reaction I have got on my "heroic"

http://webpki.org/papers/keygen2/sks-keygen2-exec-level-presentation.pdf

effort are from various IPR-folks who claim that I'm infringing on
their patents (which I have never read).

However, I won't bring up this issue again.  I continue on the stuff
mentioned above which is more interesting than working with people
who hide their technology like Google with their wallet.

My hope is that the next.next generation of wallets will be powered by
SKS/KeyGen2.

There are no standardization effort for wallets :-) :-)

There won't be one either because it is MUCH too political,
and technical to be catered by an SDO!

Regards,
Anders

On 2011-10-25 20:03, Edward O'Connor wrote:
> -public-identity, +www-archive
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> You wrote:
>> It is also *forbidden* to speak openly about requirements if you work
>> for a vendor like Apple or Microsoft.
> 
> I don't know why you think this, but I can assure you it is not the
> case. As far as Apple goes, we in general refrain from discussing our
> future products and release plans, but we actively participate in good
> faith in many Web standards efforts. I'd prefer it if you didn't suggest
> otherwise.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ted
>