Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues)
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 09 October 2017 17:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues)
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I did a bit of an update to [1]. As before PRs are welcome and I (still) wonder if the WG would benefit from documenting bits of this stuff as a work item to save time and repetition in future. S. [1] https://github.com/sftcd/tinfoil On 08/10/17 23:35, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL wrote: > +1 to Stephen. > > Regards, > Uri > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 8, 2017, at 18:34, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 08/10/17 23:22, Eric Rescorla wrote: >>> You seem to be responding to some other thread. >> >> Yep. I changed the subject line. >> >> Randy's substantive message however is crystal clear. And is >> one that WG participants ought take to heart IMO. Pretending >> that some changes to TLS would magically be limited in scope >> to so-called "data centres" is BS. I'm really really puzzled >> that some otherwise sensible folks appear unable to see that. >> >> S >> >> >>> As both Adam Langley and I >>> mentioned, none of the changes that anyone is investigating for reducing >>> middlebox-induced breakage affect the cryptographic properties of TLS. >>> >>> -Ekr >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> there are a lot of us lurkers out here a bit horrified watching this wg >>>> go off the rails. >>>> >>>> it would help if vendors of devices which break privacy would stop >>>> speaking for 'datacenters' and let datacenters speak for themselves. i >>>> have not seen any doing so. my $dayjob has >10 medium sized datacenters >>>> serving everything from banks to telcos to scaled cloud services. i can >>>> not find folk in our datacenter groups who see a need to break e2e >>>> encryption. >>>> >>>> if the interception proposals ensured that user is notified and able to >>>> prevent session interception, then i would believe this. but if they do >>>> not, then let's face it, this is all about selling surveillance gear to >>>> snooping enterprises and repressive regiemes where people with guns take >>>> you away at 3am because your session was decoded. >>>> >>>> can we please provide real end to end privacy or call this wg something >>>> else? >>>> >>>> randy >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TLS mailing list >>>> TLS@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TLS mailing list >>> TLS@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TLS mailing list >> TLS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
- [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Carl Mehner
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Hanno Böck
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Nick Sullivan
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Jeffrey Walton
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Hanno Böck
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Adam Langley
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Randy Bush
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 Midd… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 … Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Randy Bush
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd (Was: Re: Update on TLS 1.3 … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [TLS] Update on TLS 1.3 Middlebox Issues Matt Caswell