[TLS] Re: Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-mlkem-03: (with COMMENT)
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Subject: [TLS] Re: Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-mlkem-03: (with COMMENT)
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Hello, Thank you Deb for the review. Please find my answers inline below: > Thanks to Joe Salowey for the shepherd write up explanation of why the registry > setting is what it is. > > Section 4.1, 4.2: Please check the order and sizes of the client share and > server shares. It appears that they don't match between section 4.1 and 4.2. > For example, for X25519MLKEM768 is 1184 bytes for the MLKEM portion of the > client share, and 1088 bytes for the server share. The order of the items in > () for both the SecP/MLKEM groups are opposite between client share and server > share (maybe this doesn't matter, but it certainly looks odd). I have verified the sizes and confirmed that they are correct. Note that, unlike ECDH, the ML-KEM client and server shares are not the same size: the client transmits a public key, while the server returns a ciphertext, and these objects have different lengths. Consequently, the sizes reported in Sections 4.1 and 4.2 are not equal. The key and ciphertext sizes are derived from Table 3 in FIPS 203. > Section 5: I do agree with Gunter that the name of this section is less than > descriptive. As per previous email - this is being addressed here: https://github.com/tlswg/tls-ecdhe-mlkem/pull/61 Any feedback is more than welcome. > > Section 5, FIPS compliance: Does the order that the shared secrets are > combined matter? > Yes, the order of shares is swapped for X25519 and NIST curves, due to FIPS compliance. The presentation I've done at IETF 121 provides more details. - Video:https://youtu.be/46ItvWI_k4Y?list=PLC86T-6ZTP5iW_EW2fpjMvIhLb1uTEkMQ&t=7000 - Slides:https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/materials/slides-121-tls-post-quantum-hybrid-ecdhe-mlkem-key-agreement-for-tlsv13-00.pdf As a side note - we know that NIST is planning to allow custom order (it was confirmed by NIST). But at the time of writing, this is not finalized yet. Kind regards, Kris
- [TLS] Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf-tls… Deb Cooley via Datatracker
- [TLS] Re: Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: Deb Cooley's No Objection on draft-ietf… Deb Cooley