[TLS] Re: Notice of Moderation for Postings by D. J. Bernstein

[Deb Cooley <[e-mail]>]

Is this going to continue?  Or will you accept the warning?

I have seen no bias from my chairs.  You, however, have fabricated a bias
based on merely liking a post on social media.  You and I can agree to
disagree on this point.  But, I don't want to hear about it again on this
list.  Ok?

Deb
Sec AD

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 2:17 PM Nadim Kobeissi <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi Deb,
>
> You’re right. If we interpret “self-control” as the singular and lonely
> quality that is currently preventing many people from expressing their
> views on the TLS Chair’s level of bias (or lack thereof) and competence out
> loud, then my message was indeed due to a lack of self control.
>
> Nadim Kobeissi
> Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software
>
> On 29 Jun 2026, at 8:13 PM, Deb Cooley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi,
>
> This is a public warning in accordance with RFC 3934, Section 2 [0] to
> Nadim Kobeissi. Specifically,
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/MslhMl9dJNmoUXEP4iCielOuU_I/.
> The content of this message is disruptive to both the TLS working group
> progress and IETF Last Call progress.  Future postings like this may result
> in moderation.
>
> Self-control is a wonderful thing.  I expect all tls participants to treat
> people respectfully, thus complying with the Code of Conduct.
>
> Deb Cooley
> Sec AD
>
> [0] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3934.html#section-2
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 4:56 AM Nadim Kobeissi <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> In particular, I am *amazed* to see this posting listed as evidence of
>> “disruption”:
>>
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/sJZkQ1YRYXF_lIhr0tKF_qTvlOg/
>>
>> It’s a good thing that there’s an archive of the TLS Chairs' behavior,
>> same as there still exists an archive of the former AD’s behavior.
>>
>> Nadim Kobeissi
>> Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software
>>
>> On 29 Jun 2026, at 10:50 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> The only off-putting thing about Dr. Bernstein’s email is that there’s a
>> lot of them, and they’re extremely verbose and often repetitive.
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago, we even had people on the list accusing each other
>> of outright criminal behavior, and no such moderation occurred.
>>
>> I’m looking forward to your restoring your credibility when you also
>> start moderating folks that disrupt the list by employing bad-faith
>> rhetoric to silence and intimidate those they disagree with, or engage in
>> personal attacks.
>>
>> The TLS Chairs are unbelievably biased and obviously incompetent.
>>
>> Nadim Kobeissi
>> Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software
>>
>> On 29 Jun 2026, at 5:01 AM, Joseph Salowey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> The TLS Chairs have, after consultation with the AD, decided to moderate
>> the postings of D. J. Bernstein for 30 days due to continued disruptive
>> behavior [2][3][4][5][6][7][8] as allowed by the IESG statement on the
>> intentional inclusion of a derivative works notice in list emails [1].
>> This follows previous public warnings for disruptive behavior
>> [9][10][11][12][13][14].
>>
>> This action is taken under BCP9 / RFC3934 Section 2, with  the exception
>> that moderation instead of suspension of all posting rights is applied.
>> Postings by D. J. Bernstein will be held for moderation and after
>> confirmation by the TLS Chairs of being on topic and not disruptive, will
>> be released to the list. Please note that release of messages to the TLS
>> list may take up to two working days.
>>
>> On behalf of the TLS Chairs,
>>
>> Joe[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-derivative-works-rights/
>> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/GL9oPGn60Oz601--gqCk4hcQlCM/
>> [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/X8-3pmioGxFZX3T0tRsdxPWKx3I/
>> [4] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/IxuKXmrNL3drVmEo-3cJiYBfOwI/
>> [5] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/sJZkQ1YRYXF_lIhr0tKF_qTvlOg/
>> [6] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/m-gqGbrdOObvMd1qxb6PnOvJVzw/
>> [7] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/XHT418V8IBYcl0bHf9tsdBc1Sds/
>> [8] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/lo9FBpW-6WhvltdV5CFATAnUNgk/
>> [9] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/ivYCeEHbgs_qo5EaenOezxK11jg/
>> [10] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/_15N-0uipLJAIBEPlEq_7F2NB2Q/
>> [11] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/NdDHaQkC4uglI3P5Or8SmHxFZ-Q/
>> [12] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/LHeWv-fwBrN6NC-JjC2F49DXIps/
>> [13] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/no0lW8r_wIPGF1ZXWB3EaGywh9Q/
>> [14] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/hh5h54j9mdSN-4xNBv8pItQg-Xg/
>>
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