[TLS] Abridged Certificate Compression (server participation)
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From: "Kampanakis, Panos" <kpanos@amazon.com>
To: Dennis Jackson <ietf=40dennis-jackson.uk@dmarc.ietf.org>, Dennis Jackson <ietf@dennis-jackson.uk>, TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
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Hi Dennis, One more topic for general discussion. The abridged certs draft requires a server who participates and fetches dictionaries in order to make client connections faster. As Bas has pointed out before, this paradigm did not work well with OSCP staples in the past. Servers did not chose to actively participate and go fetch them. Are we confident that servers would deploy the dictionary fetching mechanism to benefit their connecting clients?
- [TLS] Abridged Certificate Compression (server pa… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [TLS] Abridged Certificate Compression (serve… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Abridged Certificate Compression (serve… Dennis Jackson
- Re: [TLS] Abridged Certificate Compression (serve… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [TLS] Abridged Certificate Compression (serve… Tim Hollebeek