Re: [TLS] Request to register value in TLS extension registry

Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Wed, 03 October 2018 15:29 UTC

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From: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Request to register value in TLS extension registry
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> On Oct 3, 2018, at 02:17, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
> 
> [CC'd back to the TLS list because this affects other TLS work as well]
> 
> Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com> writes:
> 
>> Having looked a bit harder, it seems that perhaps I need to point out that,
>> if you want IANA to allocate a value, you need to *ask IANA for it*.  The
>> tls-reg-review@ietf.org list is not a supported IANA entrypoint;
> 
> That's not what the RFC appears to say:
> 
>   Specification Required [RFC8126] registry requests are registered
>   after a three-week review period on the <tls-reg-review@ietf.org>
>   mailing list, on the advice of one or more designated experts.
> 
>   [...]
> 
>   Registration requests sent to the mailing list for review SHOULD use
>   an appropriate subject (e.g., "Request to register value in TLS bar
>   registry").
> 
> This is exactly what I did, I sent a registration request to the list for
> review.
> 
>   Within the review period, the designated experts will either approve
>   or deny the registration request, communicating this decision to the
>   review list and IANA.
> 
> This never happened.
> 
> Did anyone actually test RFC 8447 before it was published?

You are the first.

> You send a request
> to a mailing list that doesn't seem to work, to be reviewed by a secret panel
> (well, we know that Rich Salz is one member :-), with no public discussion or
> list archives you can examine to see what happened, and in my case no response
> to the registration request submitted as per the RFC.

The “panel” is not secret.  The experts were identified when draft-ietf-tls-tls13 and draft-ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates were approved [0][1] and are/were enshrined in the IANA registry [2][3].

We are in the process of changing the archives to be public accessible.

Since you have been squatting on a code point for a bit [4], I am hoping that you can bear with us while we work the kinks out.

spt

[0] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg25837.html
[1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg26316.html
[2] https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-extensiontype-values/tls-extensiontype-values.xhtml
[3] https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-parameters/tls-parameters.xhtml
[4] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/rxIiS3pn63yp9YaZMODWXCk8mTg