Re: [TLS] TLS grammar checker?
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Sat, 22 June 2013 00:06 UTC
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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
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Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@gnutls.org> writes: >There was a reason ASN.1 was avoided in the TLS protocol, and that is >simplicity(*). Since SSL was created close to twenty years ago and I doubt any of the original authors are available for comment, that's purely speculation. My guess would be that they didn't even consider ASN.1, XDR, and whatever else was around at the time, or possibly even know they existed, but just invented their own encoding mechanism from scratch. Peter.
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