Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-altman-tls-channel-bindings (Channel Bindings for TLS) to Proposed Standard))
Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Wed, 04 November 2009 19:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-altman-tls-channel-bindings (Channel Bindings for TLS) to Proposed Standard))
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>>>>> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@sun.com> writes: Nicolas> On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 10:24:29AM -0800, Michael D'Errico wrote: >> I don't pretend to know exactly what this feature is supposed >> to do, but I think using the word "connection" would be a >> mistake given its widespread use meaning TCP connections, etc. Nicolas> At least the word 'connection' is used in RFC5246 _some_ Nicolas> times to mean what we were using it to mean here. Sanity check here: For the most part, there is a one-to-one mapping between what we're talking about and TCP connections, right? In particular, for most applications, even applications with multiple finish messages, grabbing the first finish message from a TCP connection gives exactly the one we want. Am I correctly understanding our goal? If so, this sounds fairly pedantic. Pedantic is not bad--we should get it to be correct. However for most app developers, it seems that if they assume connection means tcp connection, the right thing will happen. If that's not true, then we have a lot of explaining to do, because if I'm confused, then this is a hard problem to explain.
- [TLS] Last Call: draft-altman-tls-channel-binding… The IESG
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Larry Zhu
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Larry Zhu
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Larry Zhu
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Nicolas Williams
- [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comments (s… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Nicolas Williams
- [TLS] Unrelated (Re: [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Unrelated (Re: [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLV… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] Unrelated (Re: RESOLV… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] [sasl] lasgt call comments (st Call: dr… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Sam Hartman
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] … Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] lasgt call comments (st Call: draft-alt… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RESOLVED (Re: [sasl] lasgt call comment… Larry Zhu
- [TLS] New Problem (Was: Last Call: draft-altman-t… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] New Problem (Was: Last Call: draft-altm… Larry Zhu
- Re: [TLS] [CHANNEL-BINDING] New Problem (Was: Las… Nicolas Williams