Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-friel-tls-over-http-00.txt
Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com> Mon, 30 October 2017 22:26 UTC
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From: Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:26:07 -0400
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Subject: Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-friel-tls-over-http-00.txt
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Why not use HTTP CONNECT? Or rather, it would be helpful to have a section on when/why one would do this vs. CONNECT. On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote: > Hey TLS folks, > > Owen, Max, and I have been kicking around some ideas for how to make > secure connections in environments where HTTPS is subject to MitM / > proxying. > > The below draft lays out a way to tunnel TLS over HTTPS, in hopes of > creating a channel you could use when you really need things to be private, > even from the local MitM. > > Feedback obviously very welcome. Interested in whether folks think this > is a useful area in which to develop an RFC, and any thoughts on how to do > this better. > > Thanks, > --Richard > > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:47 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: > >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-friel-tls-over-http-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Owen Friel and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-friel-tls-over-http >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Application-Layer TLS >> Document date: 2017-10-30 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 20 >> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet- >> drafts/draft-friel-tls-over-http-00.txt >> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ >> doc/draft-friel-tls-over-http/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-friel-tls-over-http-00 >> Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ >> doc/html/draft-friel-tls-over-http-00 >> >> >> Abstract: >> Many clients need to establish secure connections to application >> services but face challenges establishing these connections due to >> the presence of middleboxes that terminate TLS connections from the >> client and restablish new TLS connections to the service. This >> document defines a mechanism for transporting TLS records in HTTP >> message bodies between clients and services. This enables clients >> and services to establish secure connections using TLS at the >> application layer, and treat any middleboxes that are intercepting >> traffic at the network layer as untrusted transport. In short, this >> mechanism moves the TLS handshake up the OSI stack to the application >> layer. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > >
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Patrick McManus
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Owen Friel (ofriel)
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Alex C
- [TLS] Layered TLS ... was Re: New Version Notific… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] Layered TLS ... was Re: New Version Not… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Layered TLS ... was Re: New Version Not… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Alex C
- Re: [TLS] New Version Notification for draft-frie… Hannes Tschofenig