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Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 -> TLS 2.0?

Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> Thu, 01 September 2016 19:50 UTC

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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org>
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 15:49:42 -0400
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Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 -> TLS 2.0?
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:
> I am in total agreement with Nick here.  "TLS 1.3" accurately describes what
> we're doing here, and it's consistent with our past naming scheme.
>
> There is no upside to changing away from 1.3, and as Nick notes, lots of
> potential downside.
>
> --Richard
>
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2016, Nick Sullivan <nicholas.sullivan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am reluctant to endorse a name change from TLS 1.3 to TLS 2.0. I see a
>> few immediate issues with the proposal:
>> - it causes confusion with SSL 2.0
>> - it implies wire incompatibility with TLS 1.2
>> - it suggests there will be a forthcoming TLS 2.1 with only minor changes
>>
>> If we're dead set on bumping the major version for a mostly backwards
>> compatible protocol change, we should just drop the minor version and go
>> with TLS/2.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:24 PM Bill Frantz <frantz@pwpconsult.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We could call it TLS 3.4 which would match the internal ID. :-)
>>>
>>> BTW, I think using something other than 1.3 is a good idea.
>>>
>>> Cheers - Bill
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