Re: [TLS] Multi-Threaded Applications over TLS
Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com> Mon, 20 April 2009 19:38 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@networkresonance.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Multi-Threaded Applications over TLS
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At Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:51:06 +0200, > I think the transport folks could be interested. They have concerns with bad > congestion control properties of the massive parallel connection practice in > contemporary web browsers. I have a fair amount of skepticism about the relevance of this application: 1. My understanding is that the browser manufacturers consider the transport impacts (higher link share utilization, no head of line blocking) of multiple connections to be a feature, not a bug, regardless of what the IETF Transport Area thinks. 2. Just thinking about how, e.g., Apache is architected, it seems to me that making use of this functionality would likely entail fairly substantial modifications to the Web server in many cases. 3. Given that most Web traffic happens not over HTTPS, I would expect that there would be much more interest in a solution which worked above the TLS layer and therefore would work for all Web traffic. Has anyone from the Web community expressed interest in this feature? -Ekr
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