Re: [TLS] EU cards

Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren@telia.com> Sat, 30 July 2011 07:16 UTC

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On 2011-07-30 09:02, Peter Gutmann wrote:
<snip>

> I got three off-list responses from people who'd
> worked with it which included comments like "When we rolled out CAC, our
> support costs skyrocketed. It cost us more to support the damn thing than to
> roll it out" (quoted verbatim from email).

<snip>

>From a .SE watchtower I believe that the cost per seat usually exceeds
$500 over five years when all the *consultant fees* have been added.
For small agencies I believe it could easily reach $2000!

Even if you have W2KSR2 (with "CertServ") you need a $25 000 Microsoft
"Forefront Identity Manager" in order to get a MS-only card solution going.

There surely must be something seriously wrong here...

Competition: N/A.

Anders