Re: [Drip] WGLC of draft-ietf-drip-rid-13 (Ends 29/11/2021) ( was IETF 112 drip-rid presentation comment)

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Subject: Re: [Drip] WGLC of draft-ietf-drip-rid-13 (Ends 29/11/2021) ( was IETF 112 drip-rid presentation comment)
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Hi Bob, all, 

I'm afraid that we don't have strong justification to ask for a shorter prefix vs the length that is used for ORCHID. No?

BTW, Bob can you please update the draft to follow this template for the prefix request from 2001::/23?  

=====
   o  Address Block - A block of IPv6 addresses that has been
      registered for a special purpose.

   o  Name - A descriptive name for the special-purpose address block.

   o  RFC - The RFC through which the special-purpose address block was
      requested.

   o  Allocation Date - The date upon which the special-purpose address
      block was allocated.

   o  Termination Date - The date upon which the allocation is to be
      terminated.  This field is applicable for limited-use allocations
      only.

   o  Source - A boolean value indicating whether an address from the
      allocated special-purpose address block is valid when used as the
      source address of an IP datagram that transits two devices.

   o  Destination - A boolean value indicating whether an address from
      the allocated special-purpose address block is valid when used as
      the destination address of an IP datagram that transits two
      devices.

   o  Forwardable - A boolean value indicating whether a router may
      forward an IP datagram whose destination address is drawn from the
      allocated special-purpose address block between external
      interfaces.

   o  Global - A boolean value indicating whether an IP datagram whose
      destination address is drawn from the allocated special-purpose
      address block is forwardable beyond a specified administrative
      domain.

   o  Reserved-by-Protocol - A boolean value indicating whether the
      special-purpose address block is reserved by IP, itself.  This
      value is "TRUE" if the RFC that created the special-purpose
      address block requires all compliant IP implementations to behave
      in a special way when processing packets either to or from
      addresses contained by the address block.
======

Thank you. 

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>
> Envoyé : mercredi 1 décembre 2021 18:20
> À : Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed
> INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> Cc : tm-rid@ietf.org; Jeff Ahrenholz <j.ahrenholz@temperednetworks.com>
> Objet : Re: [Drip] WGLC of draft-ietf-drip-rid-13 (Ends 29/11/2021) ( was
> IETF 112 drip-rid presentation comment)
> 
> We MUST NOT in the broader use have a hash less than 64 bits. Enough
> issues with this.  So either go with my 'closed enclave' 60 bits for the
> 8 bit Suite ID, or take 4 bits out of the stuff to the left.  Smaller HID
> space or smaller prefix.
> 
> I can't budge on a 64 bit hash as the MINIMUM.  I really don't like the
> 60 bit closed enclave hack.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 11/29/21 12:59, Stuart W. Card wrote:
> > Reminder: I raised another issue in the email to which Med was
> > responding, not just a CIDR structure for prefix/RAA/HDA...
> >
> > The horrible HIT Suite ID hack of 20 years ago!
> >
> > That _may_ have been appropriate for an _experimental_ protocol.
> >
> > It _may_ have been appropriate for HITs rather than HHITs.
> >

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