Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IESG strategic retreat

Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> Mon, 28 October 2019 18:12 UTC

Return-Path: <alissa@cooperw.in>
X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62936120072 for <tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:12:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.701
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=PtI0xIFs; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=fQfkaj40
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WkCtlA6D1c-f for <tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:12:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 344F412007A for <tools-development@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:12:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419594F5; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:12:14 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:12:14 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm1; bh=E WS1r6JdrLW/g4JXFpnCgynfWJRniYC70QpHiBSxeA0=; b=PtI0xIFsy2rZycl9L KxPu6VZmG3/YE+vLX/l4r5KDgubQAdDWH1+f0kgUQXpEjcMwI5UD0t4hP5LlCMIO lJup1CWXnRJbRHe3uQSx2Wvok/ih2XEkXx3Wm5RtsIwJOADizIgobzGR5nIbWXZ9 NX5D5qa2h3ZrEmOiBccVWshkd8LoOjIZz2BNHzObZLwSCTJ4tusxkc2CJn0oj9zm aa4MtuWP2WmNVP/rE61OLDYKngI1ons09tI8wfcVg+Pu8bLo56RREP7teK1cVtGk GpXFpFNOTp6VCH0HaXaxkr3N7UQrxX5EXDWxFElLXMzRdkT2KfOzc1UGy/+ePTWb ry9PQ==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=EWS1r6JdrLW/g4JXFpnCgynfWJRniYC70QpHiBSxe A0=; b=fQfkaj40Kfcbd4kYZiJWqzDz96eozsqKe3XTGPCcZg48Mfr4L8gerXFnG fCqFxkvWmDviOvZlO2oy7hViRZzcNT4bMNxOGQnlPHSrx0RU/cFCQtpVMxUBQBK4 1/G/FGojKIhlSFwivf764Dj6VyKk5PT7B+xLwNSBsBXySMB5AWhVsn0UKiQ9qfE8 /vLq71RYVmgm0rbmWAd4d4YgMrUP3SH6cUPeRSgLKMX9twkpwwwaZdvf03d+HXZh K0s+TR2D83EcXU/Y8Qohr5pLCL4+7x4bjEOaluB3hW1XwOss5R6Z60/ga4u4p850 DZdT9Xt0A5uxWI9eQRn+LsWcpG/HA==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:fS-3Xe7Sx003GKevAX-oeQqDZCkcr-9Wwy8BKgkJrv2koxfI5FZM0g>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrleelgdduuddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurheptggguffhjgffgffkfhfvofesthhqmhdthhdtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlihhs shgrucevohhophgvrhcuoegrlhhishhsrgestghoohhpvghrfidrihhnqeenucffohhmrg hinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgnecukfhppedujeefrdefkedruddujedrkeeknecurfgrrhgr mhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhishhsrgestghoohhpvghrfidrihhnnecuvehluhhsth gvrhfuihiivgeptd
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:fS-3XaKnzHtkHoOwQoaiP1K5tYMK4za9b2PRYRwRCH8SOFAkNdPIvQ> <xmx:fS-3XfvHWoUS0Xn_MLnOi21UXk5T7rWxd_jSzx0K70Wq48FE_hVNbw> <xmx:fS-3XRIWZusJHsIVuKWj4VFNir3QqxhYDf7FJQoLQqWQjwQHSWNP-Q> <xmx:fS-3Xao3ABVQLLaaxg62Jb9CrZnMCHo88C8RWW9jLdrmIvSyLbe1xw>
Received: from rtp-vpn6-1429.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.88]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2063380068; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:12:13 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\))
From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
In-Reply-To: <3415A8C1-2615-4835-A3E3-71B18DB8FCD1@vigilsec.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:12:12 -0500
Cc: IETF Tools Development <tools-development@ietf.org>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <5BF15D2A-14EA-40C8-A0F3-C000DADC831E@cooperw.in>
References: <9D5BE151-4B90-4D7F-BA1A-8FD8DAAFDF59@ietf.org> <3415A8C1-2615-4835-A3E3-71B18DB8FCD1@vigilsec.com>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/0GuMNDtlTUEC7IMv95pi-_P6FAE>
Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IESG strategic retreat
X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tools-development/>
List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:12:17 -0000

Hi Russ,

Thanks. Alvaro took the action at the retreat to lead further discussions about this, so he’s the person to chat with about the status of those discussions.

Best,
Alissa


> On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
> 
> Alissa:
> 
> The Datatracker had played a huge role in increasing transparency.  I am glad to hear that the IESG wants more transparency, but I cannot figure out from the blog post what you really have in mind.  Can we start a discussion on the tools-development list to better understand you desires?
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:14 AM, IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> The IESG held a retreat a few weeks ago and I wrote up a short blog post about it here: https://www.ietf.org/blog/iesg-strategic-retreat/
>> 
>> Best,
>> Alissa Cooper
>> IETF Chair
>