Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] CSS for RFCs SOW

"Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.com> Mon, 18 July 2016 06:57 UTC

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From: "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" <jhildebr@cisco.com>
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Thread-Topic: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] CSS for RFCs SOW
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:56:58 +0000
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I'd suggest not over-specifying here.  Having CSS that's not understood (within reasonable size limits) doesn't hurt anything.  Having standardized CSS that isn't widely-implemeneted yet (such as the printing bits) may help a potential HTML->PDF conversion, and may push more browsers to implement those bits one day.  Finally, there are some places where using browser-specific CSS (like -moz-user-select) can increase the number of older browsers that are supported.


> On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
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> On 2016-07-05 20:20, Russ Housley wrote:
>> With the recent change to the CSS for RFCs SOW, I think this is ready to go out as an RFP.  Does anyone concerns?
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>> Russ
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> Another thing that just occurred to me is that the text doesn't say anything specific about compliance to CSS specifications (and which), use of browser-specific extensions, and browser support in general.
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> This can be relevant as CSS comes in modules, and not all of them are at the state of standardization.
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> (In particular, <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-rfc-css-01#section-7.16> asks for functionality not available in standard CSS today).
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> Best regards, Julian
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