[Tools-discuss] Meetecho issues during the emailcore meeting
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Tue, 17 November 2020 14:48 UTC
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 06:42:26 -0800
From: Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com>
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Subject: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho issues during the emailcore meeting
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As suggested by Pete Resnick, I am forwarding the message I sent to the emailcore list last night to the tools-discuss list. Please note that I am not a member of this list, and have no interest in joining. Ned
--- Begin Message ---And noe for a 13th hour comment. These days I spend a significant fraction of my time engaged in online meetings, mostly using Zoom, occasionally some more specialized thing. The number of times I have any sort of issue joining meetings and participting is incredibly tiny. It doesn't matter what brower, app, or device I choose to use. It just works. It works when I use my laptop, tablet, or my phone. It works when I use the builtin mic, a headset, or a speakerphone. it works when I dial in. It works when I use a builtin camera or an external one. Or switch between the two. It works when I join more than one meeting. It works when I join a meeting outside its scheduled time slot. And no doubt it's tolerating numerous other sins I'm unaware I'm commiting. To the extent there are problems, it's invariably either a network issue or a PIBKAC. I can count the number of serious software bugs I've encountered in the time of Covid-19 on the fingers of no hands. And then we come to the IETF. And Meetecho. I'm going to skip the obligatory, "How much hard work has gone into it and how wonderful all the support has been, etc." lines because I'm frankly not in the mood. Today's emailcore meeting was par for the course. Odd popup window on logging in - not clear what that was about. Some warning about audio issues that vanished before I could even read it. And then no ability to speak myself - and no indication of why. Reseting the audio - an option no other app seems to need - provided no satisfaction, unless pressing buttons that do nothing counts as satisfying. I was resigned to using chat to communicate until we reached a point in the meeting where nothing but high bandwidth would really do. In desperation I decided to try a different browser. I disonnected - I know better than to join the same meeting twice using different tools - and tried to reconnect. Except the meeting had run over time, and I wasn't allowed in. Folks, I'm not kidding when I say that the local folk music center consistently does a better job, and a less technically savvy group is hard for me to imagine. The IETF needs to get its shit together. It's embarassing. Ned -- Emailcore mailing list Emailcore@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emailcore--- End Message ---