Re: [Tools-discuss] meetecho web interface request: see who is sending audio while viewing chat

Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> Thu, 19 November 2020 07:51 UTC

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From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, tools-discuss@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meetecho web interface request: see who is sending audio while viewing chat
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On Wed 2020-11-18 09:54:29 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote:
> I don’t think it’s a critical problem

I'm not saying this is a "critical problem" -- i'm trying to report my
experience using the tool and what would be an improvement for me (and
probably others).

Please see my bug report/feature request as the act of generosity and
demonstration of support that it is.  Not every report needs to be a
"critical problem" -- i'm trying to help make the tool better for
everyone by identifying a real concern so that those with the capacity
to address it are aware that the tool could be even better than it
already is.  I'm sure that's a goal we all share on this list.

> but agree if it just opened a new window when the button is pressed, it would be easier.

I do not want new windows!  I already objected to "clunky window
management" upthread here.  If i'm in a voice-only conference with a
large group, the *most useful* thing that any adjunct interface can
provide me with is an immediate (and silent) understanding of who is
currently speaking.  I can't imagine any user/listener would *not* want
that.

But the meetecho web interface currently doesn't do it by default.

        --dkg