Re: [Tools-discuss] [Cellar] non-ascii characters (fwd) Dave Rice: non-ascii characters

Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com> Tue, 27 August 2019 21:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Cellar] non-ascii characters (fwd) Dave Rice: non-ascii characters
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> On Aug 27, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
> 
>> Here's my take on this:
> 
>> A number of people has highlighted the desirability of using math
>> symbols in text.  However, this is not currently supported by xml2rfc
>> v3, and will make idnits unhappy.  Putting math in SVG is currently the
>> supported approach.
> 
> Yes, and we are using SVG. But we can't do it with XML yet (now Sept. 16).
> So we format a txt version for submission to post to the datatracker,
> and it has some UTF-8 in it.

RFC 7997 is pretty clear when UTF-8 is permissible and math symbols are not in the list.

I also wanted to use math symbols recently and the TXT version and the HTML version looked fine but the PDF version did not and so during IESG review, I was asked to revert the math symbols to their ASCII equivalent.

I think you’ll probably run into the same problem if you try to use them at this point other than for the particular use cases in RFC 7997 (names and titles).

Tom