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Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Thu, 11 April 2024 03:20 UTC

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 23:20:21 -0400
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: dthaler1968=40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org, 'tools-discuss' <tools-discuss@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] OSS Standards & Specifications Forum: Apr. 16-18, 2024, Seattle
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Maybe you do this verbally, but I would emphasize the point that standards development produces documents in a somewhat analogous way to how an open source project produces code.  Or at least the good ones.  With RFCs as releases.  That might give your audience a reference frame.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, at 16:30, dthaler1968=40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org wrote:
> I have a 40 minute slot, of which I’m budgeting about 30 minutes for 
> presentation and 10 for Q&A,
> with title "Spec Editing Tools and Best Practices for IETF Standards".
>
> I now have a first draft of my slides ready for review.  The PDF is on 
> my OneDrive share at
> https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aqj-Bj9PNivcn-xw_IVnf1tmRce0EA?e=vKjpqK
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> Feedback welcome.  My slides are due April 15, and the talk is on April 18.
>
> Thanks all,
> Dave
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