Re: [tram] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-27: (with COMMENT)

"Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com> Tue, 09 July 2019 18:15 UTC

Return-Path: <evyncke@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CF3120968; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -14.5
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=MH2XMesH; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=NzhqH5hL
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FLGBLbg0kNKL; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A488120946; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1482; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1562696139; x=1563905739; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=M2mY7g191DDu+jpEw4H0MombnwasXwYvGkOtYOVpHzw=; b=MH2XMesHLsRu2KAVef95cbFL5wY/53AEq94IQMyDE7awRNUR5nsXWrN5 tH0rDqFmRr+A+Ebij0mBnntsYm8Sm7XucQpwnZXhdsxk7OR2UpHu+kZiR oi8Js/mECM4mBVPHSS/3CRgGAruwdj9Re5LpcXEV3BzrEfohfxS9zHV98 c=;
IronPort-PHdr: 9a23:tSNfgBROIKAMolh5ZFPu8eCkntpsv++ubAcI9poqja5Pea2//pPkeVbS/uhpkESXBdfA8/wRje3QvuigQmEG7Zub+FE6OJ1XH15g640NmhA4RsuMCEn1NvnvOiEkDcJJV1JN9HCgOk8TE8H7NBXf
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A1AAC62CRd/49dJa1mGwEBAQEDAQEBBwMBAQGBVQQBAQELAYFDJCwDgT8gBAsoCoQSg0cDjkuCNpdrgS4UgRADVAkBAQEMAQEtAgEBhEACF4IsIzYHDgEDAQEEAQECAQVthTwMhUsCAQMSEREMAQE3AQ8CAQgaAiYCAgIwFQULAgQBDQUigwCBawMdAQKhRQKBOIhgcYEygnkBAQWFAhiCEgmBDCgBi14XgUA/gTgME4JMPoQIJhYXgnMygiaOcJtmCQKCF5QFG5gAgyWKC5c+AgQCBAUCDgEBBYFXATCBWHAVZQGCQYJBN4M6ilNygSmNDgGBIAEB
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.63,471,1557187200"; d="scan'208";a="580127765"
Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 09 Jul 2019 18:15:37 +0000
Received: from XCH-ALN-007.cisco.com (xch-aln-007.cisco.com [173.36.7.17]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x69IFbJo012701 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Jul 2019 18:15:37 GMT
Received: from xhs-rcd-002.cisco.com (173.37.227.247) by XCH-ALN-007.cisco.com (173.36.7.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:15:36 -0500
Received: from xhs-rtp-002.cisco.com (64.101.210.229) by xhs-rcd-002.cisco.com (173.37.227.247) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:15:35 -0500
Received: from NAM03-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (64.101.32.56) by xhs-rtp-002.cisco.com (64.101.210.229) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 14:15:33 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-cisco-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=M2mY7g191DDu+jpEw4H0MombnwasXwYvGkOtYOVpHzw=; b=NzhqH5hL2AjxzTnfmBCQ3SNfD4PPNihpttLgN1YCk446Vd/QaRX+KPKWzb7okZI50q352IXhVblU4hQPgOnhlNb5ysJqcA3MXGJxmH60zPTH7h4XFkXtJB7+KveU2Qjesk8COE5IEm/5uanuvH3lrt5jWKEJgw3BXIP6Ca+HLgc=
Received: from MN2PR11MB4144.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (20.179.150.210) by MN2PR11MB4047.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (20.179.149.157) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2052.19; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 18:00:35 +0000
Received: from MN2PR11MB4144.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b179:dc88:3c29:4474]) by MN2PR11MB4144.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b179:dc88:3c29:4474%6]) with mapi id 15.20.2052.020; Tue, 9 Jul 2019 18:00:35 +0000
From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>, "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>, "TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com" <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>
CC: "tram-chairs@ietf.org" <tram-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-tram-turnbis@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-tram-turnbis@ietf.org>, "tram@ietf.org" <tram@ietf.org>, "brandon.williams@akamai.com" <brandon.williams@akamai.com>
Thread-Topic: [tram] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-27: (with COMMENT)
Thread-Index: AQHVNi3EaeTMORFVP0eb2cYMMOxj2abCtZOA
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:00:34 +0000
Message-ID: <2C1E13AD-E40B-4C78-8751-A405E3B1DE8F@cisco.com>
References: <156248752430.14312.15895119889558390147.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <DM5PR16MB17053A7DCA0A23A09B9D3E88EAF60@DM5PR16MB1705.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> <E3B79278-D304-4E0B-8807-350B1AB9D50F@cisco.com> <4e999e5ae34e102ab5ca3a65c1b11a88647b5667.camel@ericsson.com>
In-Reply-To: <4e999e5ae34e102ab5ca3a65c1b11a88647b5667.camel@ericsson.com>
Accept-Language: fr-BE, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.1a.0.190609
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=evyncke@cisco.com;
x-originating-ip: [173.38.220.58]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 2b21bbed-30f9-4058-d07b-08d704975782
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(5600148)(711020)(4605104)(1401327)(2017052603328)(7193020); SRVR:MN2PR11MB4047;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MN2PR11MB4047:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <MN2PR11MB40478A3E84B251561CA567B5A9F10@MN2PR11MB4047.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:9508;
x-forefront-prvs: 0093C80C01
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(4636009)(376002)(346002)(366004)(136003)(396003)(39860400002)(189003)(199004)(58126008)(4326008)(186003)(316002)(11346002)(224303003)(2906002)(256004)(26005)(486006)(6246003)(25786009)(110136005)(86362001)(478600001)(54906003)(68736007)(446003)(36756003)(2501003)(476003)(14454004)(71200400001)(33656002)(71190400001)(7736002)(6486002)(53936002)(3846002)(305945005)(6116002)(6512007)(66556008)(229853002)(2201001)(99286004)(76116006)(66066001)(81166006)(6506007)(81156014)(73956011)(5660300002)(66946007)(76176011)(102836004)(64756008)(66476007)(4744005)(91956017)(8936002)(66446008)(2616005)(6436002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:MN2PR11MB4047; H:MN2PR11MB4144.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: cisco.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: Lf1uU+USEo3esq0wFQtAWqq5BD+2R3pmg4FM0VUP4JhcDJw8myZrRDHT7b0wY37i64r+gKPv+6rqCLLbsVlChwPTvx3BtIh4yEfBVwfLasrbfKDSrftLdg4hI4zZSPnwE3h0b0GpN0KM8X9Z5BCDIx3h1U/l2gx/sbjl5AY6b9YjXvtA9dFh7thRvKCbYGvQoZ6H+UjQw+DrHDHM9sIP74bIoaw0NKuWVkDk2Bg191Ju2hRavAZwbSL0QxXjdY+xaUfHka+XArNsRB5xJPzlqMgRNohYqkuAis2ZzRGukprpA/tspweyJaI/s/qDPwIYg24BB54/Mj5iJHMcTslw/Cxy+i1iOCByQuzYEUtLIUmimgXyseTWMlsgTdW9eZzTwxIGq2uUluNZYVVJF+pz1dPXw1Esl0qID2TVFiRW1CA=
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-ID: <9CD81E90F9E97D48A66E84165465B34C@namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 2b21bbed-30f9-4058-d07b-08d704975782
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Jul 2019 18:00:34.9439 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: evyncke@cisco.com
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB4047
X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com
X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.17, xch-aln-007.cisco.com
X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-7.cisco.com
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tram/8_fU3fbEO95mFGcIKtO5vOuWXWg>
Subject: Re: [tram] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-27: (with COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." <tram.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tram>, <mailto:tram-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tram/>
List-Post: <mailto:tram@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tram-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram>, <mailto:tram-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 18:15:42 -0000

Magnus,

Thank you for the added information & comments:


On 09/07/2019, 10:10, "iesg on behalf of Magnus Westerlund" <iesg-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> wrote:

    
    So on the client to server path there is a possibility to use MP-TCP to
    potentially improve that specific leg of the communication. It can be
    negotiated in the TCP connection if desired. However, to be clear I
    don't think there is a reason to recommend and definitely not mandate
    MP-TCP support if one supports the TCP transport in the client to
    server interface. Also it creates a potentially interesting
    interactions between the framework using TURN, like ICE when a mobility
    events happen. It may also result in sub-optimal routing in cases where
    a client selects to use multiple interfaces to have one MP-TCP
    connection to one TURN server, rather than the best TURN server per
    interface. 

EV> the usual discussion on which layer to provide mobility: layer 2, layer 3, layer 4 or in the application ;-)