Re: [Trans] [saag] draft-iab-crypto-alg-agility-00

Ben Laurie <ben@links.org> Mon, 07 April 2014 14:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Trans] [saag] draft-iab-crypto-alg-agility-00
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On 7 April 2014 15:00, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
> (Adding trans@ietf.org)
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> Me:
>> CT should not be a special case exemption from the agility spec.
>
> Ben:
>> I think it should, and here's why: normally you want agility so endpoints can change their crypto in an orderly way, so as to phase out weak algorithms. In CT the endpoint is the enemy: you don't want it to be able to choose algorithms that suit it.
>
> What is the endpoint?  The  log server?  I don't understand the point.

Yes, the log server.

> And as I said, why can't you get the same effect with proper use of ALL CAPS words in the RFC?

What effect? You mean define an algorithm that the log server MUST use?