Re: [Trans] The RFC6979 requirement in RFC6962-bis is bad

Linus Nordberg <linus@sunet.se> Mon, 08 May 2017 22:46 UTC

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From: Linus Nordberg <linus@sunet.se>
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 00:46:11 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Trans] The RFC6979 requirement in RFC6962-bis is bad
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Andrew Ayer <agwa@andrewayer.name> wrote
Mon, 8 May 2017 11:11:41 -0700:

> On Thu, 4 May 2017 12:21:14 -1000
> Brian Smith <brian@briansmith.org> wrote:
>
>> Draft 24 of rfc6962-bis says that the log must use RFC 6979 for ECDSA
>> signatures. However, the requirement to use RFC 6979 is problematic
>> for several reasons, noted below. I think this group should reconsider
>> if the fingerprinting threat that motivated the requirement for
>> deterministic signatures is significant enough to overcome these
>> problems.
>
> I think preventing fingerprinting is important.  I suggest we loosen
> the requirement on logs.  Logs should still be forbidden from producing
> more than one distinct signature for any given STH or SCT, but we
> shouldn't specify how logs must satisfy this requirement.

+1