Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman-trill-smart-endnodes
Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com> Tue, 19 November 2013 13:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman-trill-smart-endnodes
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> As announced that the TRILL WG meeting yesterday, this is a poll for > TRILL WG adoption of draft-perlman-trill-smart-endnodes-02.txt. It is > expected to run through November 24th. I am opposed to the WG taking on this document. My reasoning is simple: this document is not needed and is unlikely ever to be implemented in a product or see deployment in anything more than a research setting. The stated motivation behind this document is to move (offload) the [Dest, RB] mappings an RB maintains into a "smart endnode", thereby reducing the size of the table in RBs. I find the problem motivation and proposed solution direction uncompelling. First, today's memory sizes in switching devices is quite large (and of course getting larger). I just don't see reducing the table size in RBs as an actual problem that needs solving in practice -- and especially not by having end hosts take on this responsibility. Do we have any feedback from actual deployments suggestion RB table sizes are too limited? Second, a host is unlikely to implement this. They have little motivation to do so. The cost is implementation/operational complexity, and the only benefit is it it would support what arguably would be a low-end and marginal RB product. A better investment would be to get a better RB. Up leveling, this document exemplifies a general trend this WG has of taking on marginal work that has little or no real likelyhood of ever being used or deployed. I think the WG would focus on getting its (few remaining) core items completed, and then shutdown until a time that actual deployment experience results in the need to do additional work. Bottom line: this work is not needed and the WG should stop taking on work that has at best marginal value. Thomas
- [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman-tri… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman… hu.fangwei
- Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman… Thomas Narten
- Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman… hu.fangwei
- Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman… Radia Perlman
- Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman… liao.ting
- Re: [trill] Poll for WG adoption of draft-perlman… Linda Dunbar