Re: [Tsv-art] TSV-ART Last Call review for draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip

Joerg Ott <ott@in.tum.de> Fri, 02 February 2018 10:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tsv-art] TSV-ART Last Call review for draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip
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Hi Thomas,

thanks much -- this course of action sounds good to me.

Cheers,
Jörg

On 01.02.18 23:47, Thomas Stach wrote:
> Joerg,
> 
> first of all apologies for the delay in responding to your review.
> 
> Thanks for your effort.
> 
> Responses inline
> 
> 
> On 2018-01-26 12:09, Joerg Ott wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Reviewer: Jörg Ott
>> Review result: Largely ready with Issues
>>
>> I've reviewed this document as part of TSV-ART's ongoing effort to 
>> review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the
>> transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors for
>> their information and to allow them to address any issues raised. When
>> done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this
>> review together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please
>> always CC tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review.
>>
>> The draft defines a how the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) shall
>> make use the incremental discovery and exchange of IP addresses as
>> provided by tricke ICE; the main purpose is reducing call setup latency.
>>
>> The draft defines address the SIP aspects comprehensively with all
>> necessary features.  From a transport perspective relevant is primarily
>> its use the SIP INFO method for carrying updates to the collected
>> addresses to notify the respective peer that further ones can now
>> be tried and inform when when the address gathering is complete.
>>
>> Before proceeding, I note that SIP as defined in RFC 3261 and
>> referenced in the draft can use UDP as a transport (which I thought
>> was deprecated at some point, but couldn't find evidence to this
>> end).
>>
>> This means that SIP message generation may lead straight to packet
>> generation on the network and thus uncontrolled generation of SIP
>> INFO frames will lead to uncontrolled, potentially bursty, network
>> traffic.
>>
>> As far as I recall, this has always been an issue with SIP INFO
>> for which no pacing or congestion control was defined (this is
>> in contrast to SUBCRIBE/NOTIFY, for which packages need to specify
>> how to rate control notifications).
>>
>> The document authors are aware of this but provide, IMHO, insufficient
>> guidance when they write in section 10.9:
>>
>> 10.9.  Rate of INFO Requests
>>
>>    A Trickle ICE Agent with many network interfaces might create a high
>>    rate of INFO requests if every newly detected candidate is trickled
>>    individually without aggregation.  Implementors that are concerned
>>    about loss of packets in such a case might consider aggregating ICE
>>    candidates and sending INFOs only at some configurable intervals.
>>
>> Given that IP addresses may be gathered rapidly and poor implementations
>> may send them one by one, implementers MUST be concerned with this and
>> MUST rate limit the transmission of INFO messages.  There are examples
>> in other SIP specs (see SUB/NOT, for example) that provide clearer
>> guidance from the authors may borrow.  I acknowledge that SIP INFO
>> messages are strictly unidirectional and hence one cannot map them
>> naturally to determine when one was received.  So the simplest way may
>> be a careful pacing.  But the group has probably thought more about
>> this.
> Ok, we will come up with stricter text and e.g. change to MUST.
> With respect to pacing we would stick to our recommendation to send
> INFOs only at some configurable intervals without specifying a concrete 
> value,
> since an appropriate value would differ dependent on the specific network.
>>
>> If SIP runs on top of TCP, which is probably the standard way, this is
>> not an issue for the network anymore, but it may remain one for SIP
>> proxies and other intermediaries forwarding the SIP INFO messages.
>> Also, an endpoint may not be able to tell that it has congestion
>> controlled transport all the way.
>> Minor notes:
>>
>> I found two cases, where the correct standards keywords (MUST) may
>> be missing:
>>
>> Section 4.1.3, first paragraph on page 10 reads:
>>
>>    If the Answerer accepts to use RTCP multiplexing [RFC5761] and/or
>>    exclusive RTCP multiplexing [I-D.ietf-mmusic-mux-exclusive], it will
>>    include the "a=rtcp-mux" attribute in the initial Answer.
>>
>> will -> MUST?
> We removed normative language at various places where we referred to 
> other specs based on the review of our AD Ben Campbell.
> So, I will stick to "will"
>>
>> Section 4.4, bottom of page 19:
>>
>>    When receiving INFO requests carrying any candidates, agents will
>>    therefore first identify and discard the attribute lines containing
>>    candidates they have already received in previous INFO requests or in
>>    the Offer/Answer exchange preceding them.  Two candidates are
>>
>> Will -> ???
> needs to be a MUST.
> 
> Thanks again for your review.
> 
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Jörg
>>
>