Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable
Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de> Fri, 22 September 2006 15:23 UTC
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From: Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de>
Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:22:59 +0200
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Hi Brian, yes, you are correct. That is my point. Best regards Michael On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Stephane, > > Stephane Chazelas wrote: (Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:51:57) >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tsvwg- >> sctpthreat-01.txt >> >> 5) is taken care of by the change to the RFC that every address >> must be confirmed first. So that only heartbeats are sent to the >> victims > > Well, no. That was Michael's point (I believe): if you only mark the > destination unusable you will be sending another nonce-HB to the next > destination soon. If you aborted the association in response to the > ICMP, only one nonce-HB would be sent. Thus you reintroduce the > amplification if you mark destinations or ignore ICMP. > > --brian > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ >
- [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- [Tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-addip-sctp-15.txt: Addin… Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez
- Re: [Tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-addip-sctp-15.txt: A… Mark Butler
- RE: [Tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-addip-sctp-15.txt: A… Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-addip-sctp-15.txt: A… Mark Butler
- RE: [Tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-addip-sctp-15.txt: A… Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez
- Re: [Tsvwg] draft-ietf-tsvwg-addip-sctp-15.txt: A… Mark Butler
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Stephane Chazelas
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] SCTP and ICMP Protocol Unreachable Brian F. G. Bidulock