[tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch-07
Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> Mon, 02 November 2020 10:39 UTC
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From: Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
To: "Bob Briscoe (ietf@bobbriscoe.net)" <ietf@bobbriscoe.net>, "De Schepper, Koen (Koen)" <koen.de_schepper@nokia.com>, Greg White <g.white@CableLabs.com>, "marcelo@it.uc3m.es" <marcelo@it.uc3m.es>
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Subject: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch-07
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Hi I have read through draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch-07 and have a few comments Section 4 page 11 on Host mechanisms : RFC6679 is listed for RTP, it is however good to add also https://tools.ietf.org/wg/avtcore/draft-ietf-avtcore-cc-feedback-message/ , this feedback format is used with SCReAM. cc-feedback-message is BTW listed in the L4S-ID draft. Section 6.2 : + One key benefit that I see with L4S is that it reduces delay jitter and this in turn makes it possible to tune down the dejjitterbuffers on the video streaming client side. The end result should be a better interactive experience for the end users. + Another one, that may not be useful. SCReAM implement a transmission buffer on the sending side. This prevents that traffic bloats the network in case of a fast reduction in link throughput. In addition the transmission buffer can be discarded and the video coder can be requested to create a new key frame. This happens occasionally in the experiments with the RC cars that we run because the video coders in the NVIDIA Jetson Nanos are a bit slow to react to reduced target rate. This mechanism should be improved with addition of L4S support as we can then reduce the time that the video playout freezes as the queue buildup in the network is limited. Nits : Section 8.1 Possible grammar… not sure “as best efforts traffic”, always thought it should be “as best effort traffic” ?. But then I am not a professor in the English language 😐 /Ingemar ================================ Ingemar Johansson M.Sc. Master Researcher Ericsson Research RESEARCHER GFTL ER NAP NCM Netw Proto & E2E Perf Labratoriegränd 11 977 53, Luleå, Sweden Phone +46-1071 43042 SMS/MMS +46-73 078 3289 ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com <http://www.ericsson.com/> Talk about a dream, try to make it real Bruce Springsteen =================================
- [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch-07 Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Steven Blake
- Re: [tsvwg] Comments on draft-ietf-tsvwg-l4s-arch… Bob Briscoe