Re: [tsvwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled-23.txt

Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> Wed, 04 May 2022 17:13 UTC

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Folks,

The minor update to the DualQ draft below corrects the point Ingemar 
made in this thread:
Minor comment on draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled-22 
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsvwg/hqtY8sGnz17nWSuB7rwpVv3pQ30/>

We've also added a ref to a research paper that independently validated 
the experiments referred to already in the draft. Search for [Boru20] in 
the text.

Cheers


Bob


On 04/05/2022 17:55, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Transport Area Working Group WG of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : DualQ Coupled AQMs for Low Latency, Low Loss and Scalable Throughput (L4S)
>          Authors         : Koen De Schepper
>                            Bob Briscoe
>                            Greg White
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled-23.txt
> 	Pages           : 64
> 	Date            : 2022-05-04
>
> Abstract:
>     This specification defines a framework for coupling the Active Queue
>     Management (AQM) algorithms in two queues intended for flows with
>     different responses to congestion.  This provides a way for the
>     Internet to transition from the scaling problems of standard TCP
>     Reno-friendly ('Classic') congestion controls to the family of
>     'Scalable' congestion controls.  These are designed for consistently
>     very Low queuing Latency, very Low congestion Loss and Scaling of
>     per-flow throughput (L4S) by using Explicit Congestion Notification
>     (ECN) in a modified way.  Until the Coupled DualQ, these L4S senders
>     could only be deployed where a clean-slate environment could be
>     arranged, such as in private data centres.  The coupling acts like a
>     semi-permeable membrane: isolating the sub-millisecond average
>     queuing delay and zero congestion loss of L4S from Classic latency
>     and loss; but pooling the capacity between any combination of
>     Scalable and Classic flows with roughly equivalent throughput per
>     flow.  The DualQ achieves this indirectly, without having to inspect
>     transport layer flow identifiers and without compromising the
>     performance of the Classic traffic, relative to a single queue.  The
>     DualQ design has low complexity and requires no configuration for the
>     public Internet.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled/
>
> There is also an HTML version available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled-23.html
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tsvwg-aqm-dualq-coupled-23
>
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
>
>

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