Re: [tsvwg] 3GPP Liaison Statement clarifying port requests

Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Thu, 20 May 2021 17:10 UTC

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From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 10:10:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] 3GPP Liaison Statement clarifying port requests
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Thanks, changes applies.

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:46 AM Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Martin,
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:05 AM Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind=
> 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>>
>>
>> this generally looks good to me and keeping it short is probably the
>> right approach. I believe one of their meta-concern is still that it is
>> maybe not fully clear to them when they should ask for a port. Also I think
>> if they specify any new services that could be used internet-wide, we
>> actually want them to come to us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe a tiny little tweak could help:
>>
>>
>>
>> OLD
>>
>> A application justified by a particular use case will be evaluated in
>> accordance with IETF and IANA policy, just like any other.
>>
>>
>>
>> NEW
>>
>> A application justified by a particular use case, especially if that use
>> case is deployed over the open Internet, should be registered with IANA
>> and will be evaluated in accordance with IETF and IANA policy, just like
>> any other request.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if that is too much or helps at all but wanted to propose it for
>> your consideration.
>>
>
> I think this helps.
>
> There are certainly 3GPP participants who know what the "IETF and IANA
> policy" for port assignments is, but for other participants who don't know
> yet, and might be tempted to request a port assignment in the future, you
> might want to include a reference to where you think people can find the
> relevant policy.
>
> Do The RIght Thing, of course.
>
> Best,
>
> Spencer
>
>
>> Mirja
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *tsvwg <tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Martin Duke <
>> martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 20. May 2021 at 01:47
>> *To: *Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
>> *Cc: *Joseph Touch via IANA-Port-Experts <iana-port-experts@icann.org>,
>> tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [tsvwg] 3GPP Liaison Statement clarifying port requests
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, here's what I have:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your correspondence about port allocation. In your latest
>> message you write:
>>
>>
>>
>> “However, besides the assignment of transport protocol port(s) that could
>> be
>>
>> requested by 3GPP for the deployment of specific service discovery
>>
>> mechanism(s), it is also the 3GPP understanding that this statement cannot
>>
>> prohibit 3GPP to request in the future a port assignment for a new service
>>
>> application for which none of the port assignment alternatives would be
>>
>> applicable.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Your understanding is correct. Our previous statements on this subject
>> are intended to reduce port requests with a low chance of approval, but no
>> party is ever prohibited from requesting a port assignment. A application
>> justified by a particular use case will be evaluated in accordance with
>> IETF and IANA policy, just like any other.
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> anything to add, or is that good enough?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 8:08 PM Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Martin,
>>
>>
>>
>> The only response I can imagine would be:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Port assignments are assigned as per RFC6335 and RCC7605. No party is
>> ever directly prohibited from applying for port assignments. Those terms
>> are set by the IETF and IANA, and are updated by IETF consensus; they are
>> not subject to negotiation.”
>>
>>
>>
>> I.e., although what they state is true, it is not true by some sort of
>> agreement between the IETF and 3GPP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2021, at 10:48 AM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello TSVWG and port experts,
>>
>>
>>
>> We got this 3GPP Liaison Statement last month:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1726/
>>
>>
>>
>> The key paragraphs are:
>>
>> 3GPP understands that it could be possible to assign to 3GPP a port per
>>
>> transport protocol (UDP, TCP, SCTP, DCCP) that will be used for service port
>>
>> negotiation/discovery for all the future internal interfaces defined by 3GPP,
>>
>> avoiding the need for a systematic IANA port assignment for interfaces used
>>
>> only inside the 3GPP system...
>>
>> ...it is also the 3GPP understanding that this statement cannot
>>
>> prohibit 3GPP to request in the future a port assignment for a new service
>>
>> application for which none of the port assignment alternatives would be
>>
>> applicable.
>>
>> They would like confirmation, IIUC, that they are not cut off from any further port assignments.
>>
>> Any feedback on what I should tell them in response?
>>
>> Your friendly AD,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
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