Re: [Tsvwg] Is a TFRC sender allowed to increase the send rate more than twice?
Mark Handley <mjh@icir.org> Sat, 11 January 2003 20:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] Is a TFRC sender allowed to increase the send rate more than twice?
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>Hi, > >In draft-ietf-tsvwg-tfrc-05.txt on p. 11 a TFRC sender computes its send >rate as > >If (p > 0) > Calculate X_calc using the TCP throughput equation. > X = max(min(X_calc, 2*X_recv), s/t_mbi); > >when there are some losses detected. A question is, when X_recv and X_calc >suddenly increase, is the sender allowed to increase its transmission rate X >more than twice? Such situation could appear when a number of delayed or >reordered packets show up at the receiver causing the loss rate become low >and the receive rate higher than the current transmit rate. Alternatively, >the receiver or PEP having good knowledge of the bottleneck link could >adjust the loss rate and X_recv in feedback packets to make the sender adapt >faster to significant changes in available bandwidth. Yet another >possibility is a spoofing attack doing the same. > >According to the equation above more than twofold increase of the send rate >is ok, but the NS implementation clamps the send rate increase at twice the >current in all cases. In practice, I believe the difference has no effect on behaviour. - During slowstart, the send rate increase is capped to twice the send rate explicitly. - During normal operation, the normal increase rate due to the expiry of old higher-loss history is (from memory) about 0.12 packets per RTT. Thus to double the sending rate would take about 6 RTTs. It seems rate unlikely that any bunching would cause more than 6 RTTs of packets to arrive at once without having previously causing the receiver to signal the sender to reduce rate because the receive rate was so low while the packets were being delayed. - If history discounting has cut in, the 6 RTTs above would be 3 RTTs, but delaying of 3 RTTs of traffic would still likely trigger the receiver to clamp the senders rate to twice the (very low) receive rate before the delayed traffic arrives. Limiting the send rate to twice the receive rate is a safety measure that prevents serious overshoot on links with low levels of statistical multiplexing. In the case where you can delay several RTTs worth of packets without losing any, and then deliver them all in a high-rate burst, it seems rather likely that the level of statistical multiplexing isn't all that low, so this additional safety mechanism isn't required. In the worst and very unlikely case, you take some losses in the next RTT and slow down again pretty quickly. So, to summarise, restricting the increase to twice the send rate (as ns does) is a reasonable thing to do, but not doing it is very unlikely to have any significant effect, and even less likely to have any significant adverse effect. Does this answer your question? Cheers, Mark _______________________________________________ tsvwg mailing list tsvwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg
- [Tsvwg] Is a TFRC sender allowed to increase the … Andrei Gurtov
- Re: [Tsvwg] Is a TFRC sender allowed to increase … Mark Handley
- Re: [Tsvwg] Is a TFRC sender allowed to increase … Andrei Gurtov
- Re: [Tsvwg] Is a TFRC sender allowed to increase … Sally Floyd