Re: [tsvwg] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-09: (with DISCUSS)

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Dear TSVWG Chairs,

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:45 AM Ben Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb-09: Discuss
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> DISCUSS:
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> Thanks for this effort. The draft appears to be in good shape overall; I
> just
> have one process point I would like to DISCUSS before approval:
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> Section 12 appears to be an update to draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos, which is
> currently in the RFC Editor queue in the MISSREF state. It's not clear to
> me
> what the intent of this section is, but if the idea is to formally update a
> _draft_, then please do not do that. The right way to proceed would be to
> pull
> draft-ietf-tsvwg-rtcweb-qos from the RFC editor queue and make the changes
> there.
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> The UPDATES relationship is intended for updating RFCs, which are otherwise
> immutable. Drafts, even post-IESG approval and in the RFC editor queue can
> still be changed. Making readers figure out the update between two
> different
> RFCs when there is an option to just fix the draft would be a disservice to
> readers.
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That would be fine with me. Is it fine with TSVWG?

All - please note that resolving this question Really Quick would be
awesome, because there is only one more telechat after the one tomorrow,
and as of Wednesday of IETF 104, the ballots for draft-ietf-tsvwg-le-phb
from outgoing ADs "go away", including my Yes ballot ...

Spencer, who is wondering how many of the incoming ADs are familiar with
cluster C238 in the RFC Editor queue ...