[Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Initial Window to Proposed Standard
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 29 August 2002 15:03 UTC
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From: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Sally Floyd <floyd@icir.org>, Bob Braden <braden@ISI.EDU>
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FWIW..... I was just messing around with a script to follow reference chains in RFCs and internet-drafts, which made doing the attached rather easy. Here is the list of RFCs (that my script could find) that are referred to by RFCs referred to by the RFCs referred to (recursion, twice) by the draft in question. That's 704 RFCs. It WOULD be nice if we could compress the relationships between all the relevant documents into the "Obsoletes" and "Updates" headers on the front page, but it's likely to be an uphill battle, and possibly not worth the effort. I have no strong opinion of the question in hand. Once the author and the RFC Editor agree, author's 48 hours seems like a fine time to set these headers to what they should be. Harald Sample Referer RFC Normative? 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STANDARD rfc2780:RFC 2375:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc2401:RFC 2393:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2407:RFC 2394:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc2407:RFC 2395:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc3168:RFC 2401:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2481:RFC 2402:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2402:RFC 2403:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2402:RFC 2404:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2406:RFC 2405:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2481:RFC 2406:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc3168:RFC 2407:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc3168:RFC 2408:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc3168:RFC 2409:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2407:RFC 2410:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2401:RFC 2411:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc2401:RFC 2412:unknown:INFORMATIONAL draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 2414:unknown:EXPERIMENTAL draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 2415:unknown:INFORMATIONAL draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 2416:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc2474:RFC 2434:unknown:BEST CURRENT PRACTICE rfc2407:RFC 2451:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2474:RFC 2460:unknown:DRAFT STANDARD rfc2780:RFC 2461:unknown:DRAFT STANDARD rfc2780:RFC 2463:unknown:DRAFT STANDARD rfc2481:RFC 2474:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2884:RFC 2475:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc3042:RFC 2481:unknown:EXPERIMENTAL rfc2780:RFC 2507:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2581:RFC 2525:unknown:INFORMATIONAL draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 2581:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc2581:RFC 2582:unknown:EXPERIMENTAL rfc2884:RFC 2597:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc3168:RFC 2637:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc3168:RFC 2661:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD rfc3168:RFC 2702:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc3168:RFC 2780:unknown:BEST CURRENT PRACTICE rfc3042:RFC 2884:unknown:INFORMATIONAL rfc3168:RFC 2983:unknown:INFORMATIONAL draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 2988:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 3042:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04:RFC 3168:unknown:PROPOSED STANDARD --On onsdag, august 28, 2002 17:04:02 -0700 Sally Floyd <floyd@icir.org> wrote: >> *> The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'Increasing TCP's Initial >> *> Window' <draft-ietf-tsvwg-initwin-04.txt> as a Proposed Standard, >> *> obsoleting RFC 2414. This document also updates RFC 2598. >> >> Are you sure it updates RFC 2598, the EF PIB? It does not reference >> 2598, and 2598 was itself obsoleted by 3246. >> >> Shouldn't it also update 793, 2581, and 1122? > > I don't know where the list of "updated documents" came from in > this case, but in addition to obsoleting RFC 2414, the document > updates 2581. I assume that whoever said "2598" should simply have > said "2581" instead. > > It seems fine to me for it to be listed as updating 793 and 1122 > as well. But, as Fred observed, there are many other documents > updating 793 and 1122 that aren't so listed - maybe the guidelines > need to be more clear. > >> Note that the text has a reference to RFC 2481, but there is an >> entry in the reference list for RFC 2581; are these the same? > > Nope. The text referenced RFC 2481 when discussing ECN. RFC 2481 > is ECN; RFC 2581 is TCP Congestion Control. In its last 48-hour > pass through the RFC Editor, we (or the RFC editor) can update the > reference to RFC 2481 to refer to RFC 3168 instead. > >> Finally, c'mon, friends, proper academic conduct if nothing else >> calls for a reference to RFC 793. > > This wasn't an academic paper, it was an internet draft. This > document cites RFC 2581, and RFC 2581 cites RFC 1122 as standardizing > these algorithms, so that seems fine by me. Though we (or the RFC > Editor) could certainly add a sentence about RFC 1122 and > RFC 793 for clarity. > > - Sally > > > _______________________________________________ tsvwg mailing list tsvwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg
- [Tsvwg] Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Initial… The IESG
- [Tsvwg] Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Initial… The IESG
- [Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Ini… Bob Braden
- [Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Ini… Fred Baker
- [Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Ini… Bob Braden
- [Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Ini… Sally Floyd
- Re: [Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's… Mark Allman
- [Tsvwg] Re: Protocol Action: Increasing TCP's Ini… Harald Alvestrand