Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buffer bloat today?
Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> Tue, 26 March 2013 17:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buffer bloat today?
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Hi, +1. Would be nice to have such statictics available for the user in every OS! Mirja On Friday 22 March 2013 05:27:31 Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2013, Jim Gettys wrote: > > Every more modern TCP can easily fill any sized buffer given time with a > > single TCP connection. > > I agree with this, I made this discovery myself back in 2004 or so, and > had to implement Fairqueue and WRED on my home connection to make it > bearable to use any interactive application while transferring files. > > In IETF75 in Stockholm in 2009, I made proposals in both TCP and at open > mic in one of the sessions, that I would like to see statistics and > performance numbers on packet loss, delay variation etc from actual > traffic. The IP stack has great insight in what the network conditions are > (especially with TCP Timestamping), but as far as I know it's not really > exported in any usable format to the user. My idea was to have some kind > of dashboard for the user to show if currently the network was the > limiting factor, if the tcp window was maxed out etc. Would also be nice > if there was output that could be cut/pasted and attached to a fault > report in case the customer talks to customer support. It would be good if > this was actually a standard so all OSes did the same. > > I am not aware of any such work going on, so I'd like to know if anyone > else is aware of work in this area? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dipl.-Ing. Mirja Kühlewind Institute of Communication Networks and Computer Engineering (IKR) University of Stuttgart, Germany Pfaffenwaldring 47, D-70569 Stuttgart tel: +49(0)711/685-67973 email: mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de web: www.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de -------------------------------------------------------------------
- [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat tod… Eliot Lear
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Roland Bless
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Andrew McGregor
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Rick Jones
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Graham Beneke
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Oliver Hohlfeld
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Oliver Hohlfeld
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Oliver Hohlfeld
- Re: [tsvwg] how much of a problem is buffer bloat… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Oliver Hohlfeld
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] how much of a problem is buffer… Jim Gettys
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Jim Gettys
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Jim Gettys
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Jim Gettys
- Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem i… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem i… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem i… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] [aqm] how much of a problem i… Hagen Paul Pfeifer
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… Dave Taht
- Re: [tsvwg] [Bloat] how much of a problem is buff… David Lang
- Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem i… grenville armitage
- Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] [Bloat] how much of a problem i… Dave Taht