[tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk to explain the "Updates:" header
Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> Sun, 24 July 2016 14:18 UTC
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Subject: [tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk to explain the "Updates:" header
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Spencer, I searched for " recovering IETF process wonk" and a link to your biography was ranked top {Note 1}. I'm looking for incontrovertible advice on whether I am correct to place various long-standing tunnelling RFCs in the updates header of this draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-briscoe-tsvwg-rfc6040bis I believe it cannot be claimed that these RFCs did not already specify how to process the ECN field, because it is not possible to encapsulate a packet with a new IP header without creating a new ECN field. Therefore, to my mind, definition of ECN field propagation is an update not an optional addition to these RFCs (as I said in response to Mirja in tsvwg on Friday). To be clear about the implications of this decision, if the IESG eventually approves rfc6040bis as an RFC, if it states that it updates L2TPv3 (for instance), I believe it would mean that an implementation of L2TPv3 could no longer claim to comply with the L2TPv3 spec [RFC3931] until it had implemented ECN propagation compliant with RFC6040. Cheers Bob PS. Thanks for the advice to state explicitly how the text of each RFC could be updated. Will do. {Note 1}: I was initially worried that an RFC I co-authored was ranked second, but I was relieved to discover that we had used all those words in a purely technical context: the RFC talked about packet *process*ing and *recovering* keys and C.K. *Wong* was a cited author. -- ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe http://bobbriscoe.net/
- Re: [tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk … Black, David
- Re: [tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- [tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk to e… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk … Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [tsvwg] Wanted: recovering IETF process wonk … Bob Briscoe