Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-04.txt
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From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org>
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Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-04.txt
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The corrections and comments presented at WG Last Call for -03 of this draft have not been addressed in version -04. The issues and errors identified for -03, therefore, also apply to version -04. Please make the following corrections, duly identified at WG Last Call, for version -05: > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:47:27 -0600 > From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org> > To: tsvwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] WG last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt > > Scott, > > On Page 4, this draft says: > > - The CRC polynomial is mapped back into SCTP transport-level > bytes. Coefficient of x^31 gives the value of bit 0 of > SCTP byte 0, the coefficient of x^24 gives the value of > bit 7 of byte 0. the coefficient of x^7 gives bit 0 of > bit 0 and the coefficient of x^0 0 gives bit 7 of byte 3. > The resulting four-byte transport-level sequence is the > 32-bit SCTP checksum value. > > There is an error in here: "bit 0 of bit 0", however, the entire > paragraph is pointless and should be removed. Please remove or at least > correct this paragraph. > > > Page 4-5. The same problematic MUST's for calculation of the checksum > from the beginning of section 2.1 (top of Page 3) is repeated (word for > word it appears) across the bottom of Page 4 and the top of Page 5. > Please remove this duplication. > > --brian > > On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Scott Bradner wrote: > > > > > This starts a working group last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt. > > > > The last call will end on March 24th (after the IETF meeting) > > > > please send any comments to the tsvwg list > > > > thanks > > > > Scott & Allison > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tsvwg mailing list > > tsvwg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ > > _______________________________________________ > tsvwg mailing list > tsvwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:33:36 -0600 > From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org> > To: Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu> > Cc: tsvwg@ietf.org, mankin@isi.edu > > Scott, > > Section 2.1: > > The draft uses the words MUST in telling the implementor where and > when bits are to be replaced in the message. It is not appropriate > for the draft to do this. CRC-32c can be calcualted without using > the procedures dictated by section 2.1. In particular SCTP checksums > can be calculated without replacing the CRC with zero but can be > verified with the CRC in place. The implementatino is clearly > responsible for calculating the CRC-32c checksum and verifying it > in whatever fashion it may choose and the "MUST" is inappropriate > as applied to the procedure in section 2.1. > > --brian > > > On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Scott Bradner wrote: > > > > > This starts a working group last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt. > > > > The last call will end on March 24th (after the IETF meeting) > > > > please send any comments to the tsvwg list > > > > thanks > > > > Scott & Allison > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tsvwg mailing list > > tsvwg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ > > _______________________________________________ > tsvwg mailing list > tsvwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:24:42 -0600 > From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org> > To: Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu> > Cc: tsvwg@ietf.org, mankin@isi.edu > Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] WG last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt > > Scott, > > Please rewrite the Introduction to adopt a professional, > formal and non-condescending tone. The informal tone > used in the introduction may be appropriate in e-mails > between pen-pals, but sticks out as inappropriate for > an RFC. > > --brian > > On Fri, 08 Mar 2002, Scott Bradner wrote: > > > > > This starts a working group last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt. > > > > The last call will end on March 24th (after the IETF meeting) > > > > please send any comments to the tsvwg list > > > > thanks > > > > Scott & Allison > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tsvwg mailing list > > tsvwg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ > > _______________________________________________ > tsvwg mailing list > tsvwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:34:15 -0500 (EST) > From: Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu> > Message-Id: <200203081334.g28DYFN20271@newdev.harvard.edu> > To: tsvwg@ietf.org > Cc: mankin@isi.edu > Subject: [Tsvwg] WG last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt > > > This starts a working group last call on draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-03.txt. > > The last call will end on March 24th (after the IETF meeting) > > please send any comments to the tsvwg list > > thanks > > Scott & Allison > > _______________________________________________ > tsvwg mailing list > tsvwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ _______________________________________________ tsvwg mailing list tsvwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… David Lehmann
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- RE: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Douglas Otis
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Jonathan Stone
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Jonathan Stone
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… David Lehmann
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Randall Stewart
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Phillip T. Conrad
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Jonathan Stone
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Michael Tuexen
- RE: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Douglas Otis
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Phillip Conrad
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Jonathan Stone
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- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Michael Tuexen
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Randall Stewart at work
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Andreas Jungmaier
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Brian F. G. Bidulock
- Re: [Tsvwg] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctpcsum-… Andreas Jungmaier
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