Re: [Unbearable] Sec- prefix for Token-Binding headers
Ilari Liusvaara <ilari.liusvaara@elisanet.fi> Tue, 30 June 2015 10:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Unbearable] Sec- prefix for Token-Binding headers
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:09:41AM +0000, Dirk Balfanz wrote: > > following Leif's request to mirror discussions here, I wanted to point out > one discussion we're having over there regarding the Sec- prefix for the > Token-Binding header: > https://github.com/TokenBinding/Internet-Drafts/issues/1 > > Anne favors a Sec- prefix (meaning it can't be set directly from > Javascript), whereas Martin doesn't. Because TokenBinding protects cookies, and cookies are already a forbidden field (that is, Javascript can't set its own cookies for request), I don't see use for non-Sec field. Referred token bindings might be another matter (especially if not actually validated), since the access token might not take the form of cookie, and thus Javascript can control sending/receiving. Being able to set TokenBinding header from Javascript might however lead to weird behaviour: Generate a key and valid signature with that key. Then override TokenBinding header with that signature on request to another origin with cookies sent. If browser has cookies for the origin, those now get sent with invalid TokenBinding. Which should be no problem, unless the server does something dumb. If the server sends cookies and browser stores those, the TokenBinding for those cookies will be wrong and those cookies presumably won't work. -Ilari
- [Unbearable] Sec- prefix for Token-Binding headers Dirk Balfanz
- Re: [Unbearable] Sec- prefix for Token-Binding he… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Unbearable] Sec- prefix for Token-Binding he… Martin Thomson