Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwanted tracking BoF meeting @ IETF 117
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 09 July 2023 15:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwanted tracking BoF meeting @ IETF 117
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Brent Ledvina <bledvina=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Thursday 7/27 in the AM. We plan to discuss if we want to form a new WG > in support of this effort. To support this, we’ve thrown together a > draft charter which is available on GitHub: > https://github.com/bdetwiler/draft-detecting-unwanted-location-trackers/tree/main/charter Thank you. I am not privy to whatever horse-trading resulted in IETF being the place to do this work. I don't fundamentally object to this, but I think that the wider community might need a bit more convincing. TEEP, CELLAR, MLCODEC, ... have had to make similiar arguments. In particular we have a BTLE protocol which does not fundamentally involve any IP transport *itself*. The charter does not seem to include any over the Internet interactions whereby the manufacturer of the tracker-accessor and the tracking detecting device communicate. If that were included, then there would be no argument abother whether the IETF is the right place. The charter doesn't have good names for the various entities involved: maybe some of those names should jump into the charter. > Since most of the existing tracking accessories use Bluetooth, the DULT WG > will coordinate as needed with the IETF 6lo WG and Bluetooth SIG. I don't think that 6lo WG will have any special knowledge. While 6lo has done IPv6 over BTLE Mesh, and there a BTLE experts who wrote those document, as a whole, I don't think 6lo WG will have anything useful to say. An explanation of why this isn't occuring at the Bluetooth SIG would good, as well as having some clear statement that we aren't stepping on their toes. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
- [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwanted tr… Brent Ledvina
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Brent Ledvina
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Brent Ledvina
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Nick Doty
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Douglas Gerard
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Brent Ledvina
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Josselin de la Broise
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Klemen Bratec
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Nick Doty
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Brent Ledvina
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Nick Doty
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Draft charter for unwante… Eric Rescorla