#1008 USEFOR 1.5 References: Final text on "followup"
John Stanley <stanley@peak.org> Thu, 09 June 2005 17:21 UTC
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Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>: >...the text that seems to come closest to capturing the (VERY) rough >consensus of the group is: This is a technical standard. A consensus to be wrong is still wrong. > Unless there are technical issues that have not been raised before, The existing one is sufficient. When did we get to vote on changing the meaning of RFC2822? > ...the definition of "followup" is now closed. Just to make it clear, the official position of this working group is that RFC2822 doesn't say what it does, that mandates based on "we want" are appropriate despite RFC2119, and that the ability to detect followups is not important. I'll also point out that your "definition" is really just the first sentence. The second sentence is not definition, especially when you note that the attribute you are using to define followup is also present in non-followups. You might as well leave the second sentence out; it means nothing and is the cause of the problem.
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- Re: #1008 USEFOR 1.5 References: Final text on "f… John Stanley
- Newsgroup names #1021 (was: #1008 USEFOR 1.5 Refe… Frank Ellermann
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- Re: #1008 USEFOR 1.5 References: Final text on "f… Forrest J. Cavalier III
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- Re: #1008 USEFOR 1.5 References: Final text on "f… John Stanley
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