Request for IESG processing of draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-10 for Proposed Standard
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 27 September 2006 08:37 UTC
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Subject: Request for IESG processing of draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-10 for Proposed Standard
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The USEFOR WG chairs are hereby requesting that the IESG review and process draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-10 for the status of Proposed Standard. Below is some information about the document's state. Harald & Alexey 1). Have the chairs personally reviewed this version of the ID and do they believe this ID is sufficiently baked to forward to the IESG for publication? Yes and yes. 2). Has the document had adequate review from both key WG members and key non-WG members? Yes and No. External review has not been solicited. Do you have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. 3). Do you have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular (broader) perspective (e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, etc.)? No concerns. This is a rather isolated field. 4). Do you have any specific concerns/issues with this document that you believe the ADs and/or IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps you are uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or whether there really is a need for it, etc., but at the same time these issues have been discussed in the WG and the WG has indicated it wishes to advance the document anyway. No concerns regarding the document, however IESG should be aware that the document doesn't just standardize existing Usenet article format, but also adds several new header fields. This issue was discussed in the WG and rough consensus was to add new features. The group feels that it would be most appropriate to have this document approved by the IESG now, but that publication should be delayed until the companion document (USEPRO) comes out. This might take a while, given the slow progress the group has made so far. In the event of the group closing, the document can be published without USEPRO - there are no normative references. 5). How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? There is rough consensus among the 10 active participants to send the document to IESG. Two WG participants have said that they think the WG should shut down and not send any document, citing the length of time it has taken to get here and concerns with the document quality. 6). Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize what are they upset about. Nobody has threated to appeal. 7). Have the chairs verified that the document adheres to _all_ of the ID nits? (see http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html). Yes (Note that the ID nits tool reports several Experimental warnings, but they all wrong) 8). Does the document a) split references into normative/informative, Yes and b) are there normative references to IDs, where the IDs are not also ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? (Note: the RFC editor will not publish an RFC with normative references to IDs, it will delay publication until all such IDs are also ready for publication as RFCs.) This document doesn't have any normative reference to an ID. There are three Informative references to IDs, two of them are working documents of the USEFOR WG and another one (draft-ietf-nntpext-base) was approved for publication in June. See above for discussion of the relation to draft-ietf-usefor-usepro. 9). For Standards Track and BCP documents, the IESG approval announcement includes a writeup section with the following sections: Summary This document specifies the syntax of Netnews articles in the context of the "Internet Message Format" (RFC 2822) and "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME)" (RFC 2045). This document obsoletes the mesasge format parts of RFC 1036, providing an updated specification to reflect current practice and incorporating incremental changes specified in other documents. The document also adds several new header fields that replace various non-standard and non-interoperable header fields in use in Usenet today. This is the first in a set of documents that obsolete RFC 1036. This document focuses on the syntax and semantics of Netnews articles. Another document describes protocol issues of Netnews articles independent of transport protocols, e.g. control articles. And yet another document describes policy related issues, interoperability and usability related recommendations. Process and goals history of this draft. The USEFOR WG started its efforts to update RFC 1036 about 9 years ago. Several email related standards got published and updated in this timeframe. Several WG chairs have changed since then, and many WG participants left or joined the WG (mostly left). In May 2004, this document was a part of the 98-page draft-ietf-usefor-article-13.txt. Following the proposal of Pete Resnick, WG chair at the time, the document got split into 2 documents: draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-00.txt and draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-00.txt. Following feedback from the WG members, Alexey Melnikov asked Ken Murchison to edit draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-xx.txt instead of Charles Lindsey, taking a more concise draft (draft-kohn-news-article-03.txt) by Dan Kohn as the base. Ken Murchison became the primary editor, while Charles Lindsey and Dan Kohn got listed as co-editors of the draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-00.txt document. While the split and new primary editor helped to move things forward, this was not sufficient to get the document finished. In April 2005, Harald Alvestand joined as co-chair of the WG. He introduced issue tracker to the WG, which helped to prevent people from reraising old issues again and again. He also on one occasion suspended posting rights of one of the abusive WG members, which helped reduce the personal attacks in the group. draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-10.txt is the result of a WG Last Call in April 2006 (which raised several issues, none of them requiring major changes) and a call for consensus on the resolution of Last Call comments in September 2006. This draft is being submitted for Proposed Standard. The USEFOR WG has reviewed the draft, last-call (and post last-call) reviews included: - Frank Ellermann - Russ Allbery - Richard Clayton - Ralph Babel - Forrest J. Cavalier III - Seth Breidbart - Dan Schlitt Of the reviewers, two argued that the group should be disbanded and the draft ditched.
- Request for IESG processing of draft-ietf-usefor-… Harald Alvestrand