Re: [Uta] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> Tue, 17 February 2015 21:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Uta] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 2/17/15 2:07 PM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote:

> On 2/17/15 12:49 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>
>> So my question is whether we should consider this document effectively
>> silent about the choice of cipher suites to be used when we 
>> standardize a
>> new application protocol in the IETF, or an update to an existing
>> protocol.
>
> If an application protocol wishes to follow the recommendations here, 
> someone needs to write a document that says so.

What about new protocols?

>> That is the impression that I get from the text right now, and
>> it doesn't quite match the way we've been using/citing the document in
>> some recent discussions of other drafts.
>
> Do you have examples?

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-paws-protocol-20#section-7

pr

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