Re: [Uta] Last call: <draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-03> "SMTP Require TLS Option"

"Valery Smyslov" <smyslov.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 15 August 2018 14:55 UTC

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From: Valery Smyslov <smyslov.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Uta] Last call: <draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-03> "SMTP Require TLS Option"
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Hi,

here is my review of the document. 

The draft is well written, however I found few places where it could be improved.

1. Section 2:

In the following para:

   In order to specify REQUIRETLS treatment for a given message, the
   REQUIRETLS option is specified on the MAIL FROM command when that
   message is transmitted.  This option MUST only be specified in the
   context of an SMTP session meeting the security requirements that
   have been specified:

The last sentence uses uppercase MUST, while in fact using MUST NOT is more
appropriate giving the meaning  of the sentence. I.e. "This option MUST NOT be
specified unless all the following requirements are met in the context of SMTP session:"

And in the following list I believe using uppercase words is unnecessary,
since they described not a protocol (REQUIRETLS) behavior, but 
the requirements for REQUIRETLS to be used. I suggest changing 
those MUSTs to lowercase.

   o  The session itself MUST employ TLS transmission.

   o  The certificate presented by the SMTP server MUST either verify
      successfully in a trust chain leading to a certificate trusted by
      the SMTP client or it MUST verify succesfully using DANE as
      specified in RFC 7672 [RFC7672].  For trust chains, the choice of
      trusted (root) certificates is at the discretion of the SMTP
      client.

   o  Following the negotiation of STARTTLS, the SMTP server MUST
      advertise in the subsequent EHLO response that it supports
      REQUIRETLS.

2. I also have a question regarding the last bullet above - why advertising
REQUIRETLS is linked with negotiation of STARTTLS?
It is my understanding that TLS session may be established
without negotiation STARTTLS (as recommended by RFC8314),
so why the last bullet doesn't say just: "The SMTP server must
advertise in the EHLO response that it supports REQUIRETLS"?
Am I missing something here? The same question is applicable
to the first para in Section 4.3, where STARTTLS and REQUIRETLS are 
also logically linked.

(and note a typo in a second bullet above: s/succesfully/successfully)

3. Section 8.1.

   REQUIRETLS is generally effective against passive attackers who are
   merely trying to eavesdrop on an SMTP exchange between an SMTP client
   and server.  This assumes, of course, the cryptographic integrity of
   the TLS connection being used.

I assume that it is encryption (and not an integrity) that protects
messages confidentiality against passive eavesdroppers, doesn't it? 

Regards,
Valery.


> Hi,
>
> this message starts extended 4-week Workgroup Last Call for 
> <draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls-03> "SMTP Require TLS Option".
> The WGLC will end on August 15th. Please, review the document
> (especially if you promised to do it earlier).
> 
> Regards,
> Leif & Valery.