Re: [Uta] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rsalz-uta-require-tls13-00.txt

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 05 October 2023 23:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Uta] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rsalz-uta-require-tls13-00.txt
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Hi Rich,

OK, now I'm commenting on the appropriate document:

On 10/5/23 1:42 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:

> Name: draft-rsalz-uta-require-tls13
> Revision: 00
> Title: New Protocols Must Require TLS 1.3

RFC 9325 / BCP 195 states:

    *  New transport protocols that integrate the TLS/DTLS handshake
       protocol and/or record layer MUST use only TLS/DTLS 1.3 (for
       instance, QUIC [RFC9001] took this approach).  New application
       protocols that employ TLS/DTLS for channel or session encryption
       MUST integrate with both TLS/DTLS versions 1.2 and 1.3;
       nevertheless, in rare cases where broad interoperability is not a
       concern, application protocol designers MAY choose to forego TLS
       1.2.

       Rationale: Secure deployment of TLS 1.3 is significantly easier
       and less error prone than secure deployment of TLS 1.2.  When
       designing a new secure transport protocol such as QUIC, there is
       no reason to support TLS 1.2.  By contrast, new application
       protocols that reuse TLS need to support both TLS 1.3 and TLS 1.2
       in order to take advantage of underlying library or operating
       system support for both versions.

That text was carefully crafted here in the UTA WG and became IETF 
consensus as of ~1 year ago.

IMHO any document that modifies the consensus can't be informational and 
must instead update RFC 9325 and become part of BCP 195.

Further, such a document should indicate precisely how it has modified 
the consensus in RFC 9325, which draft-rsalz-uta-require-tls13 doesn't 
yet do.

Peter