[v6ops] Re: Advancing RFC7757, RFC7755, and RFC7756 to standard

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Updated documents are now published:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palet-v6ops-siit-dc-st/

and

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palet-v6ops-siit-dc-dtm-st/

Note that some of the info in the intro of both documents (points 1-4) is relevant for the advancement to Internet Standard, however, I think is also useful for the IESG evaluation, so I decided to keep that, as it is more visible the status of current implementations and deployment.

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet


> El 14 nov 2025, a las 11:05, [e-mail] <jordi.palet=[e-mail]> escribió:
> 
> And just realized that my explanation below had erratas, I was meaning:
> 
> 1) From Informational to Standards Track
> 2) Then from Standards Track to Internet Standard 
> 
> and below:
> 
> a) Only reclassifying from Informational to Standards Track
> b) Reclassifying from Informational to Standards Track and then from Standards Track to Internet Standard (may be after a few months wait time)
>  
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> @jordipalet
> 
> 
>> El 14 nov 2025, a las 10:54, [e-mail] <jordi.palet=[e-mail]> escribió:
>> 
>> Hi Med,
>> 
>> Understood and will update both documents in a few minutes.
>> 
>> However, I think my questions about the process in the sense of the “hold” time between steps 1 and 2, needs to be clarified as well. May be I’m missing something or this 2 step advancing of documents that do not require updates is a special and not common case.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> 
>> @jordipalet
>> 
>> 
>>> El 14 nov 2025, a las 10:43, [e-mail] escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jordi, all,
>>>  
>>> As indicated in the recent v6ops charter (last para) and also clarified by Alvaro, the status change will cover one step at the time.
>>>  
>>> I-Ds are not formally required for the status changes in the present case, but it is good that you update your documents to reflect the intended process. Thank you.
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>> Med
>>>  
>>> De : [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <jordi.palet=[e-mail] <mailto:jordi.palet=[e-mail]>>
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 14 novembre 2025 10:22
>>> À : IPv6 Operations <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>>> Objet : [v6ops] Re: Advancing RFC7757, RFC7755, and RFC7756 to standard
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Alvaro, Nick, all,
>>>  
>>> In the case of RFC7757 the intent is clear: reclassifying it from Standards Track to Internet Standard.
>>>  
>>> In the other two cases, the intent is the same, in two steps:
>>> 1) From Informational to Standards Track
>>> 2) Then from Standards Track to Informational
>>>  
>>> My understanding of RFC6410 was that when updating RFC2026, it doesn’t specify the need for the “n months” wait for doing this move from 1 to 2 above. Section 2 of RFC6410 only states the case for accumulate more experience as Proposed Standard before progressing, in the case of a revised specification. However those two documents have been successfully implemented and deployed for multiple years and do not require any revision.
>>>  
>>> In my opinion the timing on RFC2026, section 6.2 is not clear after the update by the RFC6410. It talks about 6 months as Proposed Standard, then 4 months as Draft Standard, but the latest one no longer exists. In any case those periods are to ensure opportunity for community review, etc., but in this case, not having changes in the documents, it doesn’t make sense.
>>>  
>>> Of course, that’s my interpretation, I may be missing something, but that because, not being clear to me I used this text in the IDs:
>>>  
>>> Abstract
>>>  
>>>    This document reclassifies Stateless IP/ICMP Translation for IPv6
>>>    Data Center Environments ([RFC7755]) to Standards Track and
>>>    subsquently to Internet Standard.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Also in the introduction:
>>>  
>>> 1.  Introduction
>>>  
>>>    This document proposes that Stateless IP/ICMP Translation for IPv6
>>>    Data Center Environments ([RFC7755]) is advanced to Standards Track
>>>    (if this intermediate step is required) and subsequently to Internet
>>>    Standard, following RFC6410 ([RFC6410]).
>>>  
>>> So, in my opinion the IDs allow the IESG both choices:
>>> a) Only reclassifying from Informational to Standards Track
>>> b) Reclassifying from Informational to Standards Track and then from Standards Track to Informational (may be after a few months wait time)
>>>  
>>> Now, if my interpretation is wrong, of if the IESG prefer to have it done in two steps (1 and 2 above) requiring different IDs for every step and they consider that the actual ID is not valid for that, I can update the IDs, change the title abstract and intro, to reflect that (removing the text in bold in my previous explanation).
>>>  
>>> In any case, I think it will be good a clarification of this situation in RFC6410, so future cases similar to those 2 are clearly defined.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Jordi
>>> 
>>> @jordipalet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 13 nov 2025, a las 23:50, Nick Buraglio <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> escribió:
>>>  
>>> Great point, thanks for the clarification. Yes, the intention is to promote each status one step, but only update the status - no editorial changes.
>>> 
>>> RFC 7757 - Internet Standard 
>>> RFC 7755 - Proposed Standard
>>> RFC 7756 - Proposed Standard
>>> 
>>> Before progressing Jordi should adjust the title of draft-palet-v6ops-siit-dc-std and draft-palet-v6ops-eam-std to reflect that detail. 
>>>  
>>> nb
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 3:42 PM Alvaro Retana <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>> Nick:
>>>  
>>> Hi!
>>>  
>>> I don’t have an opinion on the RFCs themselves, but I have a comment on the process.
>>>  
>>> rfc7757 is already on the Standards Track.  Jordi’s draft says that the intent is to change its status to “Internet Standard”, is that what you really want to do?
>>>  
>>> The other two are, as you mentioned, Informational, but the supporting drafts indicate that the intent is to change the status to “Internet Standard”, which is not possible without first becoming a Proposed Standard.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> The intent mentioned below is to move the RFCs to the Standards Track.  rfc7757 is already there.
>>>  
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
>>> Alvaro.
>>>  
>>> On November 13, 2025 at 3:56:55 PM, Nick Buraglio ([e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>) wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>>   
>>> At IETF 124 we discussed advancing RFC7757, RFC7755, and RFC7756 from Informational to standards track. The advice of the AD was that we make a call for any *objections* to this process. So, please take a look at the following three documents, and if there is consensus from the WG that this is acceptable, we can fairly quickly make the request for change. 
>>> 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palet-v6ops-eam-std/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palet-v6ops-siit-dc-std/
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palet-v6ops-siit-dc-dtm-std/
>>>  
>>> Please review the documents and voice any concerns about this process. 
>>>  
>>> Thanks
>>>  
>>> Nick, Xipeng
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